Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts

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Sujet : Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 19. May 2024, 14:43:16
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On 2024-05-19 12:36:08 +0000, olcott said:

On 5/19/2024 5:37 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-05-18 14:38:53 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 5/18/2024 4:45 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-05-17 15:55:03 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 5/17/2024 4:08 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-05-17 07:25:52 +0000, Fred. Zwarts said:
 
Op 17.mei.2024 om 03:15 schreef olcott:
The following is self-evidently true on the basis of the
semantics of the C programming language.
 typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function
00 int H(ptr x, ptr x);
01 int D(ptr x)
02 {
03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
04   if (Halt_Status)
05     HERE: goto HERE;
06   return Halt_Status;
07 }
08
09 int main()
10 {
11   H(D,D);
12   return 0;
13 }
 In the above case a simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly
emulates at least one of the x86 instructions of D in the order
specified by the x86 instructions of D.
 This may include correctly emulating the x86 instructions of H
in the order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus calling
H(D,D) in recursive simulation.
 Any H/D pair matching the above template where
D(D) is simulated by the same H(D,D) that it calls
cannot possibly reach its own line 06 and halt.
 *This is a simple software engineering verified fact*
 
 Note that olcott defines 'verified fact' as 'proven fact', but he is unable to show the proof. So, it must be read as 'my belief'.
 A "proven fact" without a proof is not worse than a "verified fact"
without a verification.
 
 *I updated my wording*
It is self-evidently true to anyone having sufficient knowledge
of the semantics of the C programming language.
 No, it is not. I would know if it were.
 
 If you do not understand that a single valid counter-example
would refute my claim then you don't know enough about proofs.
 Your claim
 
 Most people to not know the difference between deductive proof
]and inductive evidence.
Most people don't read comp.theory so here we needn't care.

It is self-evidently true to anyone having sufficient knowledge
of the semantics of the C programming language.
 is a little unclear about the meaning of "It" but I think it
is false for any reasonable interpretation. Can I call myself
a counter-example?
--
Mikko

Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 May 24 * Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts18Mikko
18 May 24 `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts17olcott
18 May 24  +- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
19 May 24  `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts15Mikko
19 May 24   `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts14olcott
19 May 24    `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts13Mikko
19 May 24     `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts12olcott
19 May 24      +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts3Richard Damon
19 May 24      i`* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts --- Admitted Liar2olcott
19 May 24      i `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts --- Olcott is an Admitted Liar1Richard Damon
20 May 24      `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts8Mikko
20 May 24       `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts7olcott
21 May 24        +- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon
21 May 24        `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts5Mikko
21 May 24         +* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2immibis
21 May 24         i`- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Mikko
21 May 24         `* Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts2olcott
22 May 24          `- Re: Every D correctly simulated by H never reaches its final state and halts1Richard Damon

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