Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation?

On 5/24/24 5:27 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/24/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/24/24 3:57 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/24/2024 6:18 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/24 11:59 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2024 10:47 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/24 11:06 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2024 9:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/24 10:22 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/23/2024 8:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/23/24 1:04 PM, olcott wrote:

typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
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The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by pure function H. This was done because many
reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly switch which H/D pair
was being referred to.
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*Correct Simulation Defined*
    This is provided because every reviewer had a different notion of
    correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
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    A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates at least one
    of the x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86
    instructions of D.
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    This may include correctly emulating the x86 instructions of H in
    the order specified by the x86 instructions of H thus calling H(D,D)
    in recursive simulation.
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*Execution Trace*
    Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D); H(D,D) simulates lines 01, 02, and 03
    of D. This invokes H(D,D) again to repeat the process in endless
    recursive simulation.
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Questions:
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By your definiton of "Correct Simulation", you do realize that you have broken connection between the simulaiton not completing and the program described by the input not halting?
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In other words you are requiring that the x86 instructions of D
(and possibly H) be simulated incorrectly and/or in the wrong order.

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No, they must be simulated COMPLETELY.
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(a) *Clearly you are terrible at reading a spec*
(b) *non terminating computations cannot be simulated completely*

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Not by your definition,
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D(D) proves you wrong, since it HALTS when run, it terminates.

*D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly halt*

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The FUNCTION D halts

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The strawman deception away form the subject of the subject
line will not be tolerated. I let Ben Bacarisse get away with
that for fifteen years.
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*D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly halt*

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And this is where your lies start.
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 I WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE THE STRAW-MAN DECEPTION CHANGE THE
SUBJECT FAKE REBUTTAL THAT PREVENTS ANY CLOSURE ON ANY POINTS.
 WE CAN GET TO THE OTHER POINTS ONLY WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH THIS ONE.
THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD
 

So, you are just stipulating that you reserve the right to lie?
You refuse to positively clarify what you mean, because you are going to change the meaning in the future.
Until you agree to what your words mean and imply, we can't go forward, so I guess you just plan to die as a proved pathological liar.