Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

Op 30.mei.2024 om 15:40 schreef olcott:

On 5/30/2024 5:10 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 28.mei.2024 om 17:13 schreef olcott:

On 5/28/2024 4:21 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 27.mei.2024 om 17:43 schreef olcott:

On 5/27/2024 9:58 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/27/24 10:39 AM, olcott wrote:

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typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
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The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
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Correct Simulation Defined
    This is provided because many reviewers had a different notion of
    correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
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    A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 1 to N of the
    x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions
    of D. This may include M recursive emulations of H emulating itself
    emulating D.
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When we see that D correctly simulated by pure simulator H would remain
stuck in infinite recursive simulation then we also know that less than
an infinite number of steps is not enough steps for D correctly
simulated by pure function H to reach its own simulated final state at
line 06 and halt.
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We can equally well replace D with H.

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Only if we want to use the DISHONEST DODGE STRAW-MAN DECEPTION
CHANGE-THE-SUBJECT FAKE REBUTTAL.
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My use of the point-by-pint basis of the Socratic method tosses
such attempts out as Trolling.

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You do not even understand your own subject. I am just showing that your H does not halt, according to its own judgement. So, your simulating H is not in agreement with the requirement that it should halt. If the simulation of H would halt (as is the requirement), then D would reach line 04. The only reason D, the parameter duplicator, does not reach line 04 is that H does not halt.
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 This is incorrect. Only the directly executed outermost H must halt.
Everything else is merely data to this directly executed H.
 typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
 The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H.  This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
 H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D with either pure function H or
pure simulator H. In none of these cases does the correctly simulated D
ever reach its own simulated final state and halt.
 Whenever H is a pure function then H always halts.

Directly executed D halts, but olcott claims that the halt decider is correct when it says that it does not halt, if the simulator is unable to reach D's final state.
If that is true, it holds for any program, not only for D, but also for H. So we can repeat the argument for H:
H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of H with either pure function H or pure simulator H. In none of these cases does the correctly simulated H ever reach its own simulated final state and halt.
So, either H halts, but then the proof (by simulating it in H) that it does not halt is invalid (and then the similar proof that D halts is invalid as well), or the direct execution is a proof that H halts (and then the direct execution of D is also a proof that D halts).
If not true, show how the 'correct simulation' of H reaches the final state of the simulated H.