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De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 08. Jun 2024, 15:59:26
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On 6/8/2024 9:36 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 08.jun.2024 om 16:25 schreef olcott:
>
DD correctly determines that its own input DD would never
stop running unless aborted.
 But it is aborted. We can not base conclusions on things that do not happen.
 
We use a kind of backwards mathematical induction to prove
that a simulated input cannot possibly stop running.
We start with looking as what the behavior would be
when an infinite number of steps are correctly simulated.
We do this in a finite number of steps by matching
non-halting behavior patterns.
void Infinite_Recursion(u32 N)
{
   Infinite_Recursion(N);
}
When we verify in a finite number of steps of correct
simulation that Infinite_Recursion cannot possibly
stop running without having its simulation aborted
then HH(Infinite_Recursion, (ptr)5); correctly reports
that Infinite_Recursion never halts.
Infinite_Recursion matches one of the non-halting
behavior patterns that HH has.

It has no idea that the inner
HH is an instance of itself. HH merely recognizes the infinite
recursion behavior pattern.
>
There is no infinite recursion behavior pattern, because HH aborts.
Whenever the input would never stop running unless aborted
then HH is correct to report that and ignore everything else
in the universe.
Most computer scientists don't pay enough attention to know
that halt deciders only compute the mapping from their inputs
on the basis of the behavior specified by these inputs.
I have never heard of any computer scientist that did not make
this mistake. Professor's Hehner and Stoddart are the only
one's in the whole world that I know of that have an actual
clue that something is wrong with the halting problem.
I found out about them on my phone when I was getting
chemotherapy on my birthday in 2022.
[1] E C R Hehner. Problems with the Halting Problem, COMPUTING2011
Symposium on 75 years of Turing Machine and Lambda-Calculus, Karlsruhe
Germany, invited, 2011 October 20-21; Advances in Computer Science and
Engineering v.10 n.1 p.31-60, 2013
https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/PHP.pdf
[2] E C R Hehner. Objective and Subjective Specifications
WST Workshop on Termination, Oxford.  2018 July 18.
See https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/OSS.pdf
[3] Bill Stoddart. The Halting Paradox
20 December 2017
https://arxiv.org/abs/1906.05340
arXiv:1906.05340 [cs.LO]

If there would be an infinite recursion behavior pattern that would prove that HH would not meet its requirement that it must halt.
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Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
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