Proof that D correctly simulated by H has different behavior than D(D)

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Sujet : Proof that D correctly simulated by H has different behavior than D(D)
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 10. Jun 2024, 16:39:33
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On 6/10/2024 10:35 AM, joes wrote:
A simulation must have the same behaviour.
 
[D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS ---]
*No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
*No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
*No one has verified the actual facts of this for THREE YEARS*
On 5/29/2021 2:26 PM, olcott wrote:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.theory/c/dTvIY5NX6b4/m/cHR2ZPgPBAAJ
THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY for D simulated by H to have the same
behavior as the directly executed D(D) is for the instructions
of D to be incorrectly simulated by H (details provided below).
_D()
[00000cfc](01) 55          push ebp
[00000cfd](02) 8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000cff](03) 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000d02](01) 50          push eax       ; push D
[00000d03](03) 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000d06](01) 51          push ecx       ; push D
[00000d07](05) e800feffff  call 00000b0c  ; call H
[00000d0c](03) 83c408      add esp,+08
[00000d0f](02) 85c0        test eax,eax
[00000d11](02) 7404        jz 00000d17
[00000d13](02) 33c0        xor eax,eax
[00000d15](02) eb05        jmp 00000d1c
[00000d17](05) b801000000  mov eax,00000001
[00000d1c](01) 5d          pop ebp
[00000d1d](01) c3          ret
Size in bytes:(0034) [00000d1d]
In order for D simulated by H to have the same behavior as the
directly executed D(D) H must ignore the instruction at machine
address [00000d07]. *That is an incorrect simulation of D*
H does not ignore that instruction and simulates itself simulating D.
The simulated H outputs its own execution trace of D.
The directly executed D(D) reaps the benefit of D correctly
simulated by H proving that *its input never halts*
Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation at Machine Address:cfc
..[00000cfc][00211839][0021183d](01)  55          push ebp
..[00000cfd][00211839][0021183d](02)  8bec        mov ebp,esp
..[00000cff][00211839][0021183d](03)  8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
..[00000d02][00211835][00000cfc](01)  50          push eax      ; push D
..[00000d03][00211835][00000cfc](03)  8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
..[00000d06][00211831][00000cfc](01)  51          push ecx      ; push D
..[00000d07][0021182d][00000d0c](05)  e800feffff  call 00000b0c ; call H
This call to H is simulated H.
We can tell that it is the simulated H is providing this
trace because it has a different virtual machine stack.
The simulated H derives this execution trace of D:
     machine   stack     stack     machine          assembly
     address   address   data      code             language
     ========  ========  ========  ===============  =============
..[00000cfc][0025c261][0025c265](01)  55          push ebp
..[00000cfd][0025c261][0025c265](02)  8bec        mov ebp,esp
..[00000cff][0025c261][0025c265](03)  8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
..[00000d02][0025c25d][00000cfc](01)  50          push eax      ; push D
..[00000d03][0025c25d][00000cfc](03)  8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
..[00000d06][0025c259][00000cfc](01)  51          push ecx      ; push D
..[00000d07][0025c255][00000d0c](05)  e800feffff  call 00000b0c ; call H
Infinitely Nested Simulation Detected Simulation Stopped
Because the H(D,D) that D(D) calls correctly recognizes the its input
DOES NOT HALT, it correctly aborts the simulation of this input causing
the directly executed D(D) to halt.
I proved that D simulated by H can only have the same behavior as the
directly executed D(D) when D is simulated by H incorrectly.
This requires D simulated by H to skip over the machine address
[00000d07] and not call H(D,D) to simulate itself again.
D simulated by H does not do that. It simulates itself simulating D.
--
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10 Jun 24   i`* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD)55olcott
10 Jun 24   i +* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD)53Fred. Zwarts
10 Jun 24   i i`* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD)52olcott
11 Jun 24   i i `* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD)51Fred. Zwarts
11 Jun 24   i i  `* D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten50olcott
12 Jun 24   i i   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten49Fred. Zwarts
12 Jun 24   i i    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten48olcott
12 Jun 24   i i     `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten47Fred. Zwarts
12 Jun 24   i i      `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten46olcott
12 Jun 24   i i       `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten45Fred. Zwarts
12 Jun 24   i i        `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten44olcott
12 Jun 24   i i         `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten43Fred. Zwarts
12 Jun 24   i i          `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten42olcott
13 Jun 24   i i           `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten41Fred. Zwarts
13 Jun 24   i i            `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten40olcott
13 Jun 24   i i             `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten39Fred. Zwarts
13 Jun 24   i i              `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten38olcott
14 Jun 24   i i               `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten37Fred. Zwarts
14 Jun 24   i i                `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten36olcott
14 Jun 24   i i                 `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten35Fred. Zwarts
14 Jun 24   i i                  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten34olcott
14 Jun 24   i i                   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten33Fred. Zwarts
14 Jun 24   i i                    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten32olcott
15 Jun 24   i i                     `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten31Fred. Zwarts
15 Jun 24   i i                      `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten30olcott
15 Jun 24   i i                       +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24   i i                       `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten28Fred. Zwarts
15 Jun 24   i i                        `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten27olcott
15 Jun 24   i i                         +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24   i i                         `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten25Fred. Zwarts
15 Jun 24   i i                          `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten24olcott
15 Jun 24   i i                           +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Richard Damon
15 Jun 24   i i                           `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten22Fred. Zwarts
15 Jun 24   i i                            `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten21olcott
15 Jun 24   i i                             +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Richard Damon
16 Jun 24   i i                             `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten19Fred. Zwarts
16 Jun 24   i i                              `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten18olcott
16 Jun 24   i i                               +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Richard Damon
16 Jun 24   i i                               +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten5Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 24   i i                               i`* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten4olcott
17 Jun 24   i i                               i `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten3Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 24   i i                               i  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten2olcott
17 Jun 24   i i                               i   `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Fred. Zwarts
17 Jun 24   i i                               `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten11Mikko
17 Jun 24   i i                                `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten10olcott
18 Jun 24   i i                                 +* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten2Mikko
18 Jun 24   i i                                 i`- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1olcott
18 Jun 24   i i                                 `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten7Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 24   i i                                  `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten6olcott
18 Jun 24   i i                                   `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten5Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 24   i i                                    `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten4olcott
18 Jun 24   i i                                     +- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jun 24   i i                                     `* Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten2Mikko
18 Jun 24   i i                                      `- Re: D correctly simulated by H proved for THREE YEARS --- rewritten1olcott
12 Jun 24   i `- Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD)1Richard Damon
10 Jun 24   `* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD) STEP(1)5Richard Damon
10 Jun 24    `* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD) STEP(1)4olcott
10 Jun 24     +* Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD) STEP(1)2joes
10 Jun 24     i`- Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD) STEP(1)1olcott
11 Jun 24     `- Re: Proof that DD correctly simulated by HH has different behavior than DD(DD) STEP(1)1Richard Damon

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