Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2

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Sujet : Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V2
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 16. Jun 2024, 19:50:59
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On 6/16/2024 1:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/16/24 2:10 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/16/2024 1:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/16/24 1:44 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/16/2024 10:02 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/16/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
Am Sun, 16 Jun 2024 07:44:41 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 6/16/2024 2:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
>
Whenever a decider is run it answers the question it is made to answer.
Not necessarily. Just because everyone falsely assumes that D correctly
simulated by H must have the same behavior as the directly executed D(D)
does not make this false assumption true.
>
You still need to explain how you can call a simulation that differs from
the behaviour of its input "correct".
>
Indeed, you do.
>
I have proven it many times and this proof is simply over
everyone's heads.
>
Nonsense!  How about, instead of "proving", actually explaining?  If a
simulation differs from its original, it's not a simulation; it's just a
random program.
>
When I ask what your C programming skill level is, this *is not* a
rhetorical question.
>
The question has nothing to do with C programming.
>
>
typedef void (*ptr)(); // pointer to void function
int H(ptr P, ptr I);
>
int D(int (*x)())
{
   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
>
Unless I make every single detail 100% explicit false
assumptions always slip though the cracks. The ONLY way
to make EVERY SINGLE DETAIL 100% EXPLICIT is the x86
programming language.
>
There cannot possibly be any H that correctly emulates
the x86 machine code of D according to the semantics
of the x86 programming language such that the emulated
D ever reaches its own emulated final state at machine
address [00001f58].
>
>
Which is just a strawman, as the requirement on H is NOT to answer about "D correctly simulated by H" but about "the program represented by the input directly executed", or equivalently, simulated by an actual UTM, which is a simulator that NEVER stops until it reaches a final state.
>
>
This is simply over-your-head.
I am very glad of that because the alternative would
possibly condemn your soul to Hell.
 Whats over my head? That the definition of a Halt Decider beihg that it decides on the behavior of the program represented by the input halting when run?
 
void DD0()
{
   HH0(DD0);
}
int main()
{
   HH0(DD0);
}
That the machine language finite string input DD0
to any simulating halt decider HH0(DD0) cannot
possibly even ask about the behavior of DD0().
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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15 Jun 24 i i `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V21Richard Damon
15 Jun 24 i `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V26joes
15 Jun 24 i  `* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V25olcott
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17 Jun 24     iii  `- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V21olcott
16 Jun 24     ii`- Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V21Richard Damon
17 Jun 24     i`* Re: H(D,D) cannot even be asked about the behavior of D(D) V22Mikko
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