Re: Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure

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Sujet : Re: Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.com (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Jun 2024, 13:58:00
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Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 07:28:44 -0500 schrieb olcott:

The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when N steps of DDD are correctly
emulated by any pure function x86 emulator H0 cannot possibly
return.
Yes…

The behavior of the directly executed DDD() is irrelevant
because that is not the behavior of the input. Deciders
compute the mapping from their actual finite string input
to an output by a sequence of finite string transformations.
DDD is literally the input. How can you say that is not the
behaviour? Deciders should compute the actual behaviour.
If that is not possible, we call that undecidable.

In this case the sequence is the line-by-line execution
trace of the behavior of DDD correctly emulated by H0.
The behaviour of DDD is not determined by the H0 simulating
it (although it of course depends on the return value of the
call to it).

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23 Jun 24 * DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?106olcott
23 Jun 24 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? (typo corrected)1olcott
23 Jun 24 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?101Richard Damon
23 Jun 24 i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?100olcott
23 Jun 24 i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?99Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?98olcott
24 Jun 24 i   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?97Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?96olcott
24 Jun 24 i     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?95Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?94olcott
24 Jun 24 i       `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?93Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i        `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?92olcott
24 Jun 24 i         `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?91Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i          `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?90olcott
24 Jun 24 i           `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?89Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i            `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?88olcott
24 Jun 24 i             +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?80Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?79olcott
24 Jun 24 i             i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?77Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?76olcott
24 Jun 24 i             i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?75Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?74olcott
24 Jun 24 i             i i   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?73Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?72olcott
24 Jun 24 i             i i     +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?70olcott
24 Jun 24 i             i i     i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?69Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i     i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?68olcott
24 Jun 24 i             i i     i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?67Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i     i   +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?4olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i   i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?3Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i   i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?2olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i   i  `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?1Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i     i   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?62olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?61Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?60olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?59Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i       `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure58olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i        `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure57Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i         `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure56olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i          `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure55Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure4olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure3Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           i  `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure (typo)2olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure (typo)1Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i           `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure46olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i            `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure45Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i             +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i             i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i             `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure42olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i              `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure41Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i               `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure40olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i                `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure39Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i                 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i                 i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i                 `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure36olcott
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i                  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure35Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i i     i                   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure34olcott
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure33Richard Damon
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure32olcott
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure31Richard Damon
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                       `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure30olcott
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                        `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure29Richard Damon
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                         `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure28olcott
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                          `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure27Richard Damon
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                           `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure26olcott
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                            `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure25Richard Damon
26 Jun 24 i             i i     i                             `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure24olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                              `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure23Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                               `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure22olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure21Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                 i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                 `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure18olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure17Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure16olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure15Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure14olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure13Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                       `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure12olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                        `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure11Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                         `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure10olcott
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                          `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure9Richard Damon
27 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                           +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2olcott
28 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                           i`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
28 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                           `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure6olcott
28 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                            `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure5Richard Damon
28 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                             `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure4olcott
28 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                              +* Re: Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure2joes
28 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                              i`- Re: Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1olcott
29 Jun 24 i             i i     i                                              `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure1Richard Damon
24 Jun 24 i             i i     `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?1Richard Damon
25 Jun 24 i             i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?1joes
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