Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant

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Sujet : Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 05. Jul 2024, 08:07:32
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On 2024-07-04 10:20:55 +0000, joes said:

Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 10:51:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/3/2024 10:40 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 03.jul.2024 om 16:29 schreef olcott:
On 7/3/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:27:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/3/2024 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/2/24 11:43 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/2/2024 10:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/2/24 11:07 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/2/2024 9:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/2/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/2/2024 8:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/2/24 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/2/2024 8:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/2/24 9:18 PM, olcott wrote:
 
And the only CORRECT EMULATION of that program is to infiniately
loop in the emulation.
Not for a freaking termination analyzer nitwit.
Why do they get to lie?
Open question.
 
Nothing says that you can't make a halt decider work with partial
emulation for SOME inputs. But the halt Decider just isn't itself
a fully correct emulator.
You keep stupidly saying that less than an infinite emulation is
an incorrect emulation. Why do you keep stupidly doing that?
Because it is. Partial emulations only show partial truth, and
truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
BEHAVIOR needs the FULL description of what happens.
 
Why do you keep lying about this?
As soon as HHH has seen a repeating state it has seen enough.
If the state is actually the same. But the simulated HHH sets a flag
or something to keep track if it is itself simulating a repetition.
<- Which it therefore isn’t.
 
*This is the repeating state*
But not an *infinitely* repeating state.
 The criteria that I spent two years writing and the best selling author
of theory of computation textbooks agrees with says nothing about
*infinitely* repeating state.
If the state doesn’t repeat infinitely often, it is not the same state
and does halt.
That "halt" does not follow. A Turing machine can execute forever without
repeating its state.
--
Mikko

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2 Jul 24 * Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?162olcott
2 Jul 24 +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?9Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?8olcott
2 Jul 24 i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?7Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?6olcott
2 Jul 24 i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?5Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?4olcott
2 Jul 24 i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?3Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?2olcott
3 Jul 24 i       `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Richard Damon
2 Jul 24 +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?5Mikko
2 Jul 24 i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?4olcott
3 Jul 24 i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?3Mikko
3 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?2olcott
4 Jul 24 i   `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Mikko
2 Jul 24 +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?143Fred. Zwarts
2 Jul 24 i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?142olcott
2 Jul 24 i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?141Fred. Zwarts
2 Jul 24 i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?140olcott
2 Jul 24 i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?139Fred. Zwarts
2 Jul 24 i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?138olcott
3 Jul 24 i     +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?71Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?70olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?69Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?68olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?59Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?58olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?57Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant56olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant47Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant46olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant34Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant33olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant32Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant31olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant23joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i`* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant22olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant20Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i`* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?19olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?13Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i`* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?12olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?10Alan Mackenzie
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i`* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?9olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?7Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i i`* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?6olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i i `* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?5Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i i  +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?2olcott
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3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i i  `* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?2olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i i   `- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?1Mikko
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i i `- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i i `- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ?1Fred. Zwarts
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i `* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant5joes
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i  +* Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant3olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i i  i+- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1joes
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4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   i `- Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant6Mikko
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant5olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i     +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant3Mikko
5 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant2Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i     i   i   i i       `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Mikko
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i +- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant10Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant9olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant7Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant6olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant5Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i  +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant2olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i  i`- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant1Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant2olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   i   `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant1Fred. Zwarts
4 Jul 24 i     i   i   i   `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i   `* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant8joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i    `* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant7olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     +* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant5Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     i`* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant4olcott
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     i +* Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant2joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     i i`- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i   i     i `- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     i   i     `- Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant1joes
3 Jul 24 i     i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?8Mikko
3 Jul 24 i     i    `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?7olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?6Mikko
4 Jul 24 i     i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?5olcott
4 Jul 24 i     i       +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i     i       `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?3Mikko
5 Jul 24 i     i        `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?2olcott
5 Jul 24 i     i         `- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i     `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?66joes
3 Jul 24 i      `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?65olcott
3 Jul 24 i       +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?40Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i       i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?39olcott
3 Jul 24 i       i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?38Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i       i  `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?37olcott
3 Jul 24 i       i   +* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?25Fred. Zwarts
3 Jul 24 i       i   i`* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?24olcott
3 Jul 24 i       i   i +- Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?1Fred. Zwarts
4 Jul 24 i       i   i `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?22joes
4 Jul 24 i       i   `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?11joes
3 Jul 24 i       `* Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant?24joes
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