Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott

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Sujet : Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 05. Jul 2024, 15:52:16
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On 7/5/24 8:20 AM, olcott wrote:
On 7/5/2024 4:49 AM, joes wrote:
Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 13:57:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/3/2024 1:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:20 schreef olcott:
>
DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite set of every
pure function HHH cannot possibly reach its own ret instruction and
halt. That HHH aborts its emulation at some point or never aborts its
emulation cannot possibly change this.
>
Ad hominem attacks always try to hide a lack of argumentation.
It has been proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
>
That is false and you know it. That might not be a flat out lie as it is
an sloppy use of language.
>
HHH does correctly simulate itself simulating DDD one time, then it
stops correctly simulating itself because this criteria is met:
      HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH correctly
      determines that its simulated DDD would never stop running unless
      aborted
But it would stop running.
 Not if not aborted.
But the decider can't abort the program, only its own simulation of it.
You gun isn't good enough to kill the bear, so the bear kills you.

 
>
So, the above code shows that the incorrect simulation of DDD by HHH is
unable to reach the 'ret' instruction, because it either never aborts,
or aborts one cycle too soon, when the simulated HHH is only one cycle
from its own abort and return and then the return of DDD would follow.
The criteria is:
      HHH simulates its input DDD until HHH
      determines that its simulated DDD would never stop running unless
      aborted
Richard always lies about this by making sure that he ever sees the word
UNTIL.
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>
 

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3 Jul 24 i +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan209Fred. Zwarts
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4 Jul 24 i i         `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan198Fred. Zwarts
4 Jul 24 i i          `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan197olcott
4 Jul 24 i i           `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan196Fred. Zwarts
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5 Jul 24 i i             +- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i i             +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement3Mikko
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5 Jul 24 i i             i `- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i i             +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement188Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul 24 i i             i`* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement187olcott
5 Jul 24 i i             i +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement185Fred. Zwarts
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6 Jul 24 i i             i i     `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement178Fred. Zwarts
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6 Jul 24 i i             i i        i+- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i i             i i        i`- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Fred. Zwarts
6 Jul 24 i i             i i        `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement171olcott
6 Jul 24 i i             i i         +- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i i             i i         +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement3joes
6 Jul 24 i i             i i         i`* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement2olcott
6 Jul 24 i i             i i         i `- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i i             i i         `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement166Fred. Zwarts
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6 Jul 24 i i             i i           +- Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott1Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i i             i i           `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement163Fred. Zwarts
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6 Jul 24 i i             i i             +- Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott1Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i i             i i             +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement42Richard Damon
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6 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?35Richard Damon
6 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i  `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?34olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i   `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?33Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i    `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?32olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i     `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?31Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i      `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?30olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i       `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?29Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i        `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?28olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?24Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i`* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?23olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?22Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i  `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?21olcott
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7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?8olcott
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7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    i  `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar!5Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    i   `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!!4olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    i    `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!!3Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    i     `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!!2olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    i      `- Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a Liar !!!1Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i    `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!!11olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i     `* Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott is a Liar !!!10Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i      `* Richard is a Liar9olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i       `* Re: Richard is a Liar8Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i        `* Re: Richard is a Liar7olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i         +* Re: Olcott is a Liar5Richard Damon
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i         i`* Is Richard a Liar?4olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i         i +* Re: Is Richard a Liar?2joes
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i         i i`- Re: Is Richard a Liar?1olcott
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8 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         i         `- Re: Richard is a Liar1Mikko
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i         `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?3joes
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i          `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?2olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   i           `- Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a LIAR.1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i i             i i             i   `- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar?1Mikko
7 Jul 24 i i             i i             `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement118Fred. Zwarts
7 Jul 24 i i             i i              `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement117olcott
7 Jul 24 i i             i i               +- Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i i             i i               `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement115Fred. Zwarts
8 Jul 24 i i             i i                `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement114olcott
8 Jul 24 i i             i i                 +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement5joes
8 Jul 24 i i             i i                 i`* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement4olcott
8 Jul 24 i i             i i                 i +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement2joes
8 Jul 24 i i             i i                 i i`- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1olcott
9 Jul 24 i i             i i                 i `- Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott lies1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 i i             i i                 +* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement107Fred. Zwarts
9 Jul 24 i i             i i                 `- Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott found lying.1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i i             i `- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement1Richard Damon
5 Jul 24 i i             `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement2joes
5 Jul 24 i `* Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan21joes
4 Jul 24 +* Re: Liar detector: Peter OLCOTT YES!19Richard Damon
4 Jul 24 `- Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan1Mikko

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