Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters

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Sujet : Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
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Date : 12. Jul 2024, 04:08:33
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On 7/11/24 10:49 AM, olcott wrote:
On 7/11/2024 2:22 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-10 14:53:00 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/10/2024 9:41 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 10.jul.2024 om 16:16 schreef olcott:
On 7/10/2024 9:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 10.jul.2024 om 14:37 schreef olcott:
On 7/10/2024 2:13 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 09.jul.2024 om 23:18 schreef olcot
_DDD()
[00002163] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002164] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002166] 6863210000 push 00002163 ; push DDD
[0000216b] e853f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DDD)
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DDD correctly emulated by any pure function HHH that
correctly emulates 1 to ∞ steps of DDD can't make it
past the above line of code no matter what.
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[00002170] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002173] 5d         pop ebp
[00002174] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002174]
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Which proves that HHH does not interpret x86 code correctly.
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*It interprets the code correctly*
https://github.com/wfeldt/libx86emu
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*correctly emulates 1 to ∞ steps of DDD*
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You seem to be stuck in infinite invalid reasoning.
A simulator cannot simulate 1 to ∞ steps at the same time.
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For the entire infinite set of every possible HHH the
semantics of the x86 language conclusively proves that
no DDD every halts.
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What is the set you call "the etire set of every possible HHH"?
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 An infinite set of different instances of HHH
HHH emulates 1 step of DDD
HHH emulates 2 steps of DDD
HHH emulates 3 steps of DDD...
HHH emulates ∞ steps of DDD
Every DDD of each HHH/DDD pair is either aborted or keeps running.
 
No, the EMULATION of every DDD that is aborted creates a DDD that returns in the behavior after HHH stops observing, because that HHH (which that DDD called) returns to its caller, including that DDD.
Only the DDD that calls an HHH that NEVER aborts is non-halting.
You confuse the observation of the partial behavior by HHH emulating the input with the ACTUAL behavior of that input.

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7 Jul 24 * Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters133olcott
7 Jul 24 +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters2olcott
10 Jul 24 i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters129Mikko
8 Jul 24  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters128olcott
9 Jul 24   +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters46Richard Damon
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9 Jul 24   i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees40Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees39olcott
9 Jul 24   i i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees38Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees12olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees11Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees10olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees9Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees8olcott
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9 Jul 24   i i  i     `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings6olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i      `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings5Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i       `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings4olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i        `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i         `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings2olcott
10 Jul 24   i i  i          `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees15olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees14Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees4olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees3Richard Damon
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9 Jul 24   i i  i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees9Mikko
9 Jul 24   i i  i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees8Richard Damon
10 Jul 24   i i  i   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees7Mikko
10 Jul 24   i i  i    +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees2Richard Damon
11 Jul 24   i i  i    i`- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Mikko
10 Jul 24   i i  i    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees4olcott
11 Jul 24   i i  i     +- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Richard Damon
11 Jul 24   i i  i     `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees2Mikko
11 Jul 24   i i  i      `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)10olcott
9 Jul 24   i i   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)9Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)8olcott
9 Jul 24   i i     `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)7Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i      +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)2olcott
9 Jul 24   i i      i`- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i      `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)4olcott
9 Jul 24   i i       `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i        `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)2olcott
10 Jul 24   i i         `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees4Mikko
9 Jul 24   i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees3olcott
10 Jul 24   i   +- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24   i   `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Mikko
9 Jul 24   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters81Mikko
9 Jul 24    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters80olcott
9 Jul 24     +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters77Fred. Zwarts
9 Jul 24     i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters76olcott
9 Jul 24     i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters74Fred. Zwarts
9 Jul 24     i i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters73olcott
9 Jul 24     i i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters68Fred. Zwarts
9 Jul 24     i i i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters67olcott
9 Jul 24     i i i +- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1joes
9 Jul 24     i i i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters64Fred. Zwarts
9 Jul 24     i i i i+* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters61olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i ii+* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters31joes
10 Jul 24     i i i iii`* DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt30olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i iii `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt29joes
10 Jul 24     i i i iii  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt28olcott
11 Jul 24     i i i iii   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt27Richard Damon
11 Jul 24     i i i iii    `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt26olcott
11 Jul 24     i i i iii     `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does.25Richard Damon
11 Jul 24     i i i iii      `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does.24olcott
11 Jul 24     i i i iii       `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt, thinks olcott, but it does.23Richard Damon
11 Jul 24     i i i iii        `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt22olcott
11 Jul 24     i i i iii         `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt21Richard Damon
11 Jul 24     i i i iii          `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt20olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii           `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt19Richard Damon
12 Jul 24     i i i iii            `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt18olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii             `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt17Richard Damon
12 Jul 24     i i i iii              `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt16olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii               +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt10joes
12 Jul 24     i i i iii               i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt9olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii               i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt4Fred. Zwarts
12 Jul 24     i i i iii               i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt3olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii               i i +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Fred. Zwarts
13 Jul 24     i i i iii               i i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Mikko
13 Jul 24     i i i iii               i +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Richard Damon
14 Jul 24     i i i iii               i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt3joes
14 Jul 24     i i i iii               i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt2olcott
14 Jul 24     i i i iii               i   `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Richard Damon
12 Jul 24     i i i iii               `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt Because HHH that correctly simulates does not Halt5Richard Damon
12 Jul 24     i i i iii                `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt4olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii                 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Fred. Zwarts
12 Jul 24     i i i iii                 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1joes
13 Jul 24     i i i iii                 `- Re: DDD correctly but partially emulated by HHH cannot possibly be seen to halt by HHH, but do halt1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24     i i i ii`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters29Fred. Zwarts
10 Jul 24     i i i ii `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters28olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i ii  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters27Fred. Zwarts
10 Jul 24     i i i ii   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters26olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i ii    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters25Fred. Zwarts
10 Jul 24     i i i ii     `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters24olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i ii      +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters3Fred. Zwarts
11 Jul 24     i i i ii      `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters20Mikko
9 Jul 24     i i i i+- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters ---clarification1olcott
9 Jul 24     i i i i`- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- one more freaking time1olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24     i i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters3joes
10 Jul 24     i i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24     i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24     +- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24     `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Mikko

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