Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?

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Sujet : Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 13. Jul 2024, 19:25:20
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On 7/13/24 12:48 PM, olcott wrote:
What is the correct halt status for an input to
a simulating termination analyzer that calls its
own termination analyzer?
 typedef void (*ptr)();
int HHH(ptr P);
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}
 int main()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}
 
Halting.
Since HHH defined to be a termination analyzer, by that definition it must return to its caller.
Since DDD has no inputs, its behavior isn't affected by any inputs, and thus DDD will halt for ALL input conditions, so for HHH to be a correct termination analysizer it needs to return the value to indicate Halting.
Your version can't do that, so either fails to be a proper decider, or gets the wrong answer.
The Flibble version could get this correct, if the structure allows it to properly detect that DDD is actually calling HHH, which puts us outside of the Turing Equivalency rules, but can be done in that C code.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Jul 24 * Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?14Richard Damon
13 Jul 24 +* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?11olcott
13 Jul 24 i+* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?7Richard Damon
13 Jul 24 ii`* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ? --- Tautology6olcott
13 Jul 24 ii `* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ? --- Tautology5Richard Damon
13 Jul 24 ii  `* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ? --- Tautology4olcott
13 Jul 24 ii   `* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ? --- Tautology3Richard Damon
13 Jul 24 ii    `* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ? --- Tautology2olcott
13 Jul 24 ii     `- Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ? --- Tautology1Richard Damon
14 Jul 24 i`* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?3Mikko
14 Jul 24 i `* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?2olcott
15 Jul 24 i  `- Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?1Mikko
13 Jul 24 `* Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?2olcott
13 Jul 24  `- Re: What is the correct halt status for HHH(DDD) ?1Richard Damon

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