Re: Who here understands that the last paragraph is Necessarily true?

On 7/19/2024 4:00 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-07-16 18:27:35 +0000, olcott said:
 

On 7/16/2024 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-07-15 20:56:21 +0000, olcott said:
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On 7/15/2024 3:51 PM, joes wrote:

Am Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:51:14 -0500 schrieb olcott:

On 7/15/2024 3:37 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-07-15 03:41:24 +0000, olcott said:

On 7/14/2024 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 7/14/24 9:27 PM, olcott wrote:

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Any input that must be aborted to prevent the non termination of
simulating termination analyzer HHH necessarily specifies
non-halting behavior or it would never need to be aborted.

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Excpet, as I have shown, it doesn't.
Your problem is you keep on ILEGALLY changing the input in your
argument because you have misdefined what the input is.
The input to HHH is ALL of the memory that it would be accessed in a
correct simulation of DDD, which includes all the codd of HHH, and
thus, if you change HHH you get a different input.
If you want to try to claim the input is just the bytes of the
function DDD proper then you are just admitting that you are nothing
more than a lying idiot that doesn't understand the problem,

Turing machines only operate on finite strings they do not operate on
other Turing machines *dumbo*

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That's right. But the finite string can be a description of a Turing
machine.

No that is wrong. The finite string must encode a Turing machine.

Same difference.
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Not at all. The huge mistake of all these years is that
people stupidly expected that HHH to report on the behavior
of its own executing Turing machine.

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No, the error is that HHH report on its own behavour instead of the
behaviour specified by its inputs. Nobody expects that your programs
do anything interesting or useful.
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HHH computes the mapping from this finite string: 558bec6863210000e853f4ffff83c4045dc3
to non-halting behavior because this finite string
calls HHH(DDD) in recursive simulation.

 But it does not compute any interesting mapping. You cannot even specify
the mapping wiohout a reference to HHH.
 

 > You cannot even specify the mapping wiohout a reference to HHH.
Of course I can't. I am not so ridiculously stupid to believe
that we can just ignore the fact that DDD does call HHH(DDD) in
recursive simulation.
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