Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider

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Sujet : Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider
De : python (at) *nospam* invalid.org (Python)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 09. Aug 2024, 09:48:18
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Le 08/08/2024 à 18:08, Peter Olcott a écrit :
On 8/8/2024 8:27 AM, Python wrote:
Le 08/08/2024 à 15:21, Peter Olcott a écrit :
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*Semantic property of well-behaved is decided for input*
It the program well behaved thus halts?
else The program is not well behaved.
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"well behaved" is not a property of programes or Turing Machines.
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 *It is a Stipulative definition*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition
 I can stipulate that an input has the semantic property
of has_not_ate_lunch_yet where has_not_ate_lunch_yet means
that the input halts and ~has_not_ate_lunch_yet means the
input cannot be determined to halt.
This is Humpty Dumpism:
    When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.” These are the famous words of Humpty Dumpty, a character in Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass (1871). His conversation partner, Alice, is rather sceptical:
     “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
     “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
     “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master——that’s all.”
https://blog.oup.com/2022/11/the-return-of-humpty-dumpty-who-is-the-ultimate-arbiter-of-meaning/

"well behaved" is a property of human beings that YOU do not have.
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You lie, you deceive, you abuse, you commit blasphemy in courts and
collect child pornography [this is documented].
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As a bigot you believe that this can bring you to Hell.
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Fortunately there is no God, no Hell, so you'll just vanished into
oblivion.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Aug 24 * Defining a correct halt decider67olcott
4 Aug 24 +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider45Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider44olcott
4 Aug 24 i `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider43Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i  `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider42olcott
4 Aug 24 i   +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider20Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i   i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider19olcott
4 Aug 24 i   i `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider18Richard Damon
4 Aug 24 i   i  `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider17olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i   `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider16Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i    `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider15olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i     `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider14Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i      `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider13olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i       `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider12Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i        `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider11olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i         `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider10Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i          `* You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction9olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i           `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction8Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i            `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction7olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i             `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction6Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i              `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction5olcott
5 Aug 24 i   i               `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction4Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 i   i                `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction3wij
5 Aug 24 i   i                 `* Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction2olcott
6 Aug 24 i   i                  `- Re: Olcott still seems too dishonest to admit that his HHH doesn't correctly emulate DDD1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24 i   `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider21Mikko
7 Aug 24 i    `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider20olcott
8 Aug 24 i     +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider (Which isn't a valid criteria for a decider)1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24 i     `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider18Mikko
8 Aug 24 i      `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider17olcott
8 Aug 24 i       +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider4Python
8 Aug 24 i       i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3olcott
9 Aug 24 i       i +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
9 Aug 24 i       i `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Python
9 Aug 24 i       +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
9 Aug 24 i       `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider11Mikko
9 Aug 24 i        `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider10olcott
10 Aug 24 i         +- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
10 Aug 24 i         `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider8Mikko
10 Aug 24 i          `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider7olcott
10 Aug 24 i           +* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3Richard Damon
10 Aug 24 i           i`* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider2olcott
10 Aug 24 i           i `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
11 Aug 24 i           `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider3Mikko
11 Aug 24 i            `* Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider2olcott
11 Aug 24 i             `- Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
5 Aug 24 `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider21Mikko
5 Aug 24  `* I call it a halting decidability decider20olcott
5 Aug 24   +* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider14Python
5 Aug 24   i`* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider13olcott
6 Aug 24   i +* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.5Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   i i`* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.4olcott
6 Aug 24   i i `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.3Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   i i  `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.2olcott
6 Aug 24   i i   `- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider.1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24   i `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider7Mikko
7 Aug 24   i  `* HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input6olcott
8 Aug 24   i   +- Re: HHH decides a trivial semantic non-property of its input1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24   i   +* Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input3Mikko
8 Aug 24   i   i`* Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input2olcott
9 Aug 24   i   i `- Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24   i   `- Re: HHH decides a trivial non-semantic non-property of its input1Richard Damon
6 Aug 24   +- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus doesn't say anything about the halting problem1Richard Damon
7 Aug 24   `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider4Mikko
7 Aug 24    `* Re: I call it a halting decidability decider3olcott
8 Aug 24     +- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider1Richard Damon
8 Aug 24     `- Re: I call it a halting decidability decider1Mikko

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