Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point

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Sujet : Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 14. Aug 2024, 04:33:46
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On 8/13/24 2:07 PM, olcott wrote:
On 8/13/2024 12:58 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 13.aug.2024 om 18:36 schreef olcott:
On 8/13/2024 11:11 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 13.aug.2024 om 17:25 schreef olcott:
On 8/13/2024 9:40 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 13.aug.2024 om 15:04 schreef olcott:
On 8/13/2024 5:57 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-13 01:43:49 +0000, olcott said:
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We prove that the simulation is correct.
Then we prove that this simulation cannot possibly
reach its final halt state / ever stop running without being aborted.
The semantics of the x86 language conclusive proves this is true.
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Thus when we measure the behavior specified by this finite
string by DDD correctly simulated/emulated by HHH it specifies
non-halting behavior.
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https://www.researchgate.net/ publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D
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Input to HHH(DDD) is DDD. If there is any other input then the proof is
not interesting.
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The behviour specified by DDD on the first page of the linked article
is halting if HHH(DDD) halts. Otherwise HHH is not interesting.
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Any proof of the false statement that "the input to HHH(DDD) specifies
non-halting behaviour" is either uninteresting or unsound.
>
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void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
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It is true that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot
possibly reach its own "return" instruction final halt state.
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Contradiction in terminus.
A correct simulation is not possible.
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*YOU JUST DON'T GET THIS*
A simulation of N instructions of DDD by HHH according to
the semantics of the x86 language is stipulated to be correct.
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You don't get that you cannot stipulate that something is correct.
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It is objectively incorrect to disagree with the semantics
of the x86 language when one is assessing whether or not
an emulation of N instructions of an input is correct or
incorrect.
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If you can't agree to that anything else that you say is moot.
>
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It is objectively incorrect to say that a simulation is correct when it only simulated the first N instructions correctly.
 It is objectively correct to say that the first N instructions
were emulated correctly when the first N instructions were
emulated correctly.
 Changing my words then providing a rebuttal for these changed
words is a form of intentional deceit known as strawman.
 
But the first N instructions are not ALL the instructions and thus do not provide a completely correct view of what the program does, and not being completely correct is just INCORRECT.
One lie spoils a proof, many lies prove one to be a LIAR.
We have lost count of the number of lies you have stated, since it has gotten so big.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Aug 24 * Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior29olcott
13 Aug 24 +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior1Python
13 Aug 24 +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior1Richard Damon
13 Aug 24 +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior23Mikko
13 Aug 24 i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike22olcott
13 Aug 24 i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike15Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point14olcott
13 Aug 24 i i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point12Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point11olcott
13 Aug 24 i i i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point9Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point8olcott
13 Aug 24 i i i i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point6Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i i i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point5olcott
14 Aug 24 i i i i i +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i i i i i `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point3Fred. Zwarts
14 Aug 24 i i i i i  `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- in our head2olcott
14 Aug 24 i i i i i   `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- in our head1Fred. Zwarts
14 Aug 24 i i i i `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i i i `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i i `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike6Mikko
14 Aug 24 i  `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike5olcott
14 Aug 24 i   +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike1Fred. Zwarts
15 Aug 24 i   `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike3Mikko
15 Aug 24 i    `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike2olcott
16 Aug 24 i     `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike1Mikko
13 Aug 24 `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior3olcott
14 Aug 24  +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24  `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior1Richard Damon

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