Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- in our head

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Sujet : Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- in our head
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 14. Aug 2024, 14:56:10
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On 8/14/2024 4:01 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 13.aug.2024 om 21:20 schreef olcott:
>
A simulation of N instructions of DDD by HHH according to
the semantics of the x86 language is necessarily correct.
We can agree that HHH made a good start for the simulation with a correct simulation of the first N steps, but failed to complete the simulation by not reaching the end of the simulation.
 
No wrong. That N instructions were emulating correctly
is the whole point. Anything else is a distraction from
this point.

Note that the semantics of the x86 language does not depend on who or what is using it. The direct execution uses the same semantics and it correctly shows that the end of the program can be reached according to this semantics. So, when the simulator does not reach the end, it deviates from the semantics of the input, when it processes the same input.
_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
The is a hypothetical mental exercise and can be
accomplished even if the only DDD in the world
was simply typed into a word processor and never run.
HHH can be purely imaginary yet must emulate the
above code and itself according to the semantics
of the x86 language. In this case HHH is a pure
emulator.
(a) On this basis we know that such an HHH would
emulate the first four instructions of DDD.
(b) This includes a calls from the emulated DDD
to an emulated HHH(DDD).
(c) This emulated HHH would emulate the first
four instructions of DDD.
(b) and (c) keep repeating.
We can do that all in our head never needing
any actually existing HHH.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Aug 24 * Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior29olcott
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13 Aug 24 +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior23Mikko
13 Aug 24 i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike22olcott
13 Aug 24 i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike15Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point14olcott
13 Aug 24 i i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point12Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point11olcott
13 Aug 24 i i i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point9Fred. Zwarts
13 Aug 24 i i i i`* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point8olcott
13 Aug 24 i i i i +* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point6Fred. Zwarts
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14 Aug 24 i i i i i +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i i i i i `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point3Fred. Zwarts
14 Aug 24 i i i i i  `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- in our head2olcott
14 Aug 24 i i i i i   `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- in our head1Fred. Zwarts
14 Aug 24 i i i i `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i i i `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i i `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike --- point by point1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24 i `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike6Mikko
14 Aug 24 i  `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike5olcott
14 Aug 24 i   +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike1Fred. Zwarts
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15 Aug 24 i    `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike2olcott
16 Aug 24 i     `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior --- Mike1Mikko
13 Aug 24 `* Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior3olcott
14 Aug 24  +- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior1Richard Damon
14 Aug 24  `- Re: Overview of proof that the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-halting behavior1Richard Damon

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