Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth --- V4

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Sujet : Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth --- V4
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 20. Aug 2024, 09:58:40
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On 2024-08-19 12:34:54 +0000, olcott said:

On 8/19/2024 2:26 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-08-18 12:48:32 +0000, olcott said:
 x86utm takes the compiled Halt7.obj file of this c program
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
Thus making all of the code of HHH directly available to
DDD and itself. HHH emulates itself emulating DDD.
 It is not an emulation of DDD if the execution differs from a
real execution of DDD.
 
 *Everything that is not expressly stated below is*
*specified as unspecified*
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 _DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
 *It is a basic fact that DDD emulated by HHH according to*
*the semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly stop*
*running unless aborted* (out of memory error excluded)
 X = DDD emulated by HHH∞ according to the semantics of the x86 language
Y = HHH∞ never aborts its emulation of DDD
Z = DDD never stops running
 My claim boils down to this: (X ∧ Y) ↔ Z
 void EEE()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}
 HHHn correctly predicts the behavior of DDD the same
way that HHHn correctly predicts the behavior of EEE.
That you add "V4" in to the subject line means that your earlier
presentations were not good enough. However, there is nothing
above that would give any reason to expect anything better.
The most important undefined thing above is the problem.
There is only an attempt of a solution without a problem.
--
Mikko

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17 Aug 24 * Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth107olcott
17 Aug 24 +* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth10olcott
17 Aug 24 i+* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth6Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 ii+* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth2olcott
17 Aug 24 iii`- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 ii`* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth3olcott
17 Aug 24 ii +- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 ii `- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i`* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth3Mikko
18 Aug 24 i `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth2olcott
18 Aug 24 i  `- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth53Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i`* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth52olcott
17 Aug 24 i `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth51Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i  `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth50olcott
17 Aug 24 i   +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth42Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i`* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth41olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth33Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i`* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth32olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth31Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i  `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth30olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i   `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth29Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i    `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth28olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i     `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth27Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i      `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth26olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i       +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth21Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i`* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth20olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth19Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i  `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth18olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i   `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth17Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i    `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth16olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i     `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth15Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i      `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth14olcott
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i       `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth13Richard Damon
17 Aug 24 i   i i       i        `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth12olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i         `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth11Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i          `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth10olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i           `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth9Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i            +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth2olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i            i`- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i            +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth2olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i            i`- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i            `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth4olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i             `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth3Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i              `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth2olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i       i               `- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i   i i       `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth4Mikko
18 Aug 24 i   i i        `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth3olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i i         +- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 i   i i         `- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i   i `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth7Mikko
18 Aug 24 i   i  `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth6olcott
18 Aug 24 i   i   +* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth2Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 i   i   i`- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Mikko
19 Aug 24 i   i   `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth3Mikko
19 Aug 24 i   i    `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth2Richard Damon
20 Aug 24 i   i     `- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Mikko
18 Aug 24 i   `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth7Mikko
18 Aug 24 i    `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth6olcott
18 Aug 24 i     +- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 i     `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth4Mikko
19 Aug 24 i      `* Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth --- V43olcott
20 Aug 24 i       +- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth --- V41Richard Damon
20 Aug 24 i       `- Re: Anyone that claims this is not telling the truth --- V41Mikko
18 Aug 24 +* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth8Mikko
18 Aug 24 i`* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth7olcott
18 Aug 24 i +- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth1Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 i +* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth4Mikko
19 Aug 24 i i`* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth V43olcott
20 Aug 24 i i +- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth V41Richard Damon
20 Aug 24 i i `- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth V41Mikko
20 Aug 24 i `- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth1Mikko
18 Aug 24 +* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V27olcott
18 Aug 24 i+* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V22olcott
18 Aug 24 ii`- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V21Richard Damon
18 Aug 24 i+- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V21Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 i`* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V23Mikko
19 Aug 24 i `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V22olcott
20 Aug 24 i  `- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V21Mikko
18 Aug 24 +* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V310olcott
18 Aug 24 i+- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V31Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 i+* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V36olcott
19 Aug 24 ii+* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V34Richard Damon
19 Aug 24 iii+* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V32olcott
20 Aug 24 iiii`- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V31Richard Damon
20 Aug 24 iii`- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V31Mikko
20 Aug 24 ii`- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V31Mikko
19 Aug 24 i`* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V32Mikko
19 Aug 24 i `- Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V31olcott
19 Aug 24 `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth18Fred. Zwarts
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20 Aug 24   i `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---- V413Richard Damon
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20 Aug 24   i   `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---- V411Richard Damon
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20 Aug 24   i     `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---- V49Richard Damon
20 Aug 24   i      `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---- V48olcott
20 Aug 24   i       `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---- V47Richard Damon
20 Aug 24   i        `* Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---- V46olcott
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