Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)

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Sujet : Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 27. Aug 2024, 12:31:57
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On 8/26/24 10:33 PM, olcott wrote:
This is intended to be a stand-alone post that does not
reference anything else mentioned in any other posts.
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 _DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
 When we assume that:
(a) HHH is an x86 emulator that is in the same memory space as DDD.
(b) HHH emulates DDD according to the semantics of the x86 language.
 then we can see that DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly get past
its own machine address 0000217a.
 
But only under a couple of conditions and implications.
1) It only hold *IF* and *ONLY IF* HHH is IN FACT an actual x86 emulator that totally emulates the input given to it, and NEVER "stops" before reaching an end.
If HHH decides to stop emulating and returning, then the DDD that it was emulating will reach its end, just after the point that HHH emulated it, as DDD refers to the FULL PROGRAM DDD, and not just the fragment shown, and its behavior is its full behavior. (If you want the behavior of the emulation, then that needs to be the subject of the sentence, not DDD).
2) Such an HHH is BY DEFINITION not a pure function, as to do what it is described to do, it needed to use information that was not part of its input, namely the code for the HHH that DDD is calling, that you have excluded from the input.
3) Since HHH in emulating this input needs to access information outside that input to perform that action, the results also only apply to the case where that extra data still matches, in other words, it only applies to a correct emulation of a DDD that calls a non-aborting correctly emulating HHH.
Thus, while we KNOW you are just lying about this actually intending on being a stand-alone post, your conditions actually force it to be, as your conditions EXCLUDE HHH from being changed to a Halt Decider and still have the results applicable.
Sorry, you are painting yourself into a box.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
27 Aug 24 * DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)100olcott
27 Aug 24 +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Mikko
27 Aug 24 i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
28 Aug 24 i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
28 Aug 24 i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
27 Aug 24 +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)94Fred. Zwarts
27 Aug 24 i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)93olcott
28 Aug 24 i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)69Mikko
28 Aug 24 i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)68olcott
29 Aug 24 i i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)67Mikko
29 Aug 24 i i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)66olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)10Fred. Zwarts
29 Aug 24 i i   i+* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)6olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   ii+* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Fred. Zwarts
29 Aug 24 i i   iii`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   iii +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
30 Aug 24 i i   iii `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i i   ii`- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
29 Aug 24 i i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
29 Aug 24 i i   i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
30 Aug 24 i i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
30 Aug 24 i i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
30 Aug 24 i i   `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)53joes
30 Aug 24 i i    `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)52olcott
30 Aug 24 i i     +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
31 Aug 24 i i     `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)50Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i      `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)49olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)47Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)46olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
31 Aug 24 i i       i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)34Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       i i+* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)31olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       i ii+- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
1 Sep 24 i i       i ii+- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
1 Sep 24 i i       i ii`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)28Mikko
2 Sep 24 i i       i ii `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)27olcott
2 Sep 24 i i       i ii  +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
3 Sep 24 i i       i ii  +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)24Mikko
3 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)23olcott
4 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
4 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Fred. Zwarts
4 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
5 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
5 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)17Mikko
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)16olcott
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
6 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1joes
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)12Mikko
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)11olcott
7 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)8Mikko
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)7olcott
8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)5Mikko
9 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4olcott
10 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
10 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Mikko
10 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i i i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
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8 Sep 24 i i       i ii  i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
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31 Aug 24 i i       i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)10joes
31 Aug 24 i i       i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)9olcott
31 Aug 24 i i       i   +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
1 Sep 24 i i       i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3joes
2 Sep 24 i i       i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)2olcott
2 Sep 24 i i       i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
1 Sep 24 i i       i   `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)4Fred. Zwarts
2 Sep 24 i i       i    `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)3olcott
2 Sep 24 i i       i     +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
2 Sep 24 i i       i     `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
31 Aug 24 i i       `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
28 Aug 24 i `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)23Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i  `* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)22olcott
28 Aug 24 i   +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)20Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)19olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)17Fred. Zwarts
28 Aug 24 i   i i`* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)16olcott
28 Aug 24 i   i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)14Fred. Zwarts
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28 Aug 24 i   i i i +* Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)11Fred. Zwarts
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28 Aug 24 i   i i i i +- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Fred. Zwarts
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29 Aug 24 i   i `- Re: DDD emulated by HHH --- (does not refer to prior posts)1Richard Damon
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