Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}

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Sujet : Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 08. Sep 2024, 19:55:28
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On 9/8/24 9:24 AM, olcott wrote:
On 9/8/2024 4:17 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-07 13:54:47 +0000, olcott said:
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On 9/7/2024 3:09 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-06 11:17:53 +0000, olcott said:
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On 9/6/2024 5:39 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-05 12:58:13 +0000, olcott said:
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On 9/5/2024 2:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-03 13:03:51 +0000, olcott said:
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On 9/3/2024 3:39 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-02 13:33:36 +0000, olcott said:
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On 9/1/2024 5:58 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-01 03:04:43 +0000, olcott said:
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*I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases*
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knowledge is a justified true belief such that the
justification is sufficient reason to accept the
truth of the belief.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettier_problem
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The remaining loophole is the lack of an exact definition
of "sufficient reason".
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Ultimately sufficient reason is correct semantic
entailment from verified facts.
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The problem is "verified" facts: what is sufficient verification?
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Stipulated to be true is always sufficient:
Cats are a know if animal.
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Insufficient for practtical purposes. You may stipulate that
nitroglycerine is not poison but it can kill you anyway.
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The point is that <is> the way the linguistic truth actually works.
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I've never seen or heard any linguist say so. The term has been used
by DG Schwartz in 1985.
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This is similar to the analytic/synthetic distinction
yet unequivocal.
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I am redefining the term analytic truth to have a
similar definition and calling this {linguistic truth}.
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Expression of X of language L is proved true entirely
based on its meaning expressed in language L. Empirical
truth requires sense data from the sense organs to be
verified as true.
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Seems that you don't know about any linguist that has used the term.
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I INVENTED A BRAND NEW FREAKING TERM
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Is it really a new term if someone else (DG Schwartz) has used it before?
Is it a term for a new concept or a new term for an old concept?
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 A stipulative definition is a type of definition in which a
new or currently existing term is given a new specific meaning
for the purposes of argument or discussion in a given context.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition
 *LINGUISTIC TRUTH IS STIPULATED TO MEAN*
When expression X of language L is connected to its semantic
meaning M by a sequence of truth preserving operations P in
language L then and only then is X true in L. That was the
True(L,X) that Tarski "proved" cannot possibly exist.
Copyright 2024 Olcott
 
If that is your claim, then a statement is Linguistically FALSE if there is NOT such a connection (verses there is a connection to its negation), since THAT is the definiton of the Truth Predicate of Tarski, it results in TRUE if the statement is True, or FALSE if the statement is either FALSE or not actually a truth bearer, and it is that later part that causes the problem.
The problem arises because if the language L can express a statement like:
X is defined to be ~True(L, X)
Then if True(L, X) is false, then X, since it is the negation of that, must be TRUE, which leads to a contradiction as we have just shown that True(L, x) just returned FALSE for a TRUE statement.
Note, that the major part of the proof, that you tend to overlook, is showing that in the system L, based on the minimal requirements specified, that such a statement CAN be expressed.
You "Logic" tryies to say that it needs to "Reject" the statement, but "rejection" is not a possible result, BY DEFINITION, non-true statements are just false, even if they are non-sense.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
1 Sep 24 * I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases59olcott
1 Sep 24 +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Python
1 Sep 24 `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases57Mikko
2 Sep 24  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases56olcott
2 Sep 24   +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Richard Damon
2 Sep 24   +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1Richard Damon
3 Sep 24   `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases53Mikko
3 Sep 24    `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases52olcott
4 Sep 24     +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases2Richard Damon
4 Sep 24     i`- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases1olcott
5 Sep 24     `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases49Mikko
5 Sep 24      `* I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}48olcott
6 Sep 24       +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}9Richard Damon
6 Sep 24       i`* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}8olcott
6 Sep 24       i `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}7Richard Damon
6 Sep 24       i  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}6olcott
7 Sep 24       i   `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}5Richard Damon
7 Sep 24       i    `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}4olcott
7 Sep 24       i     `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}3Richard Damon
7 Sep 24       i      `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}2olcott
7 Sep 24       i       `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon
6 Sep 24       `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}38Mikko
6 Sep 24        `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}37olcott
6 Sep 24         +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}5Richard Damon
6 Sep 24         i`* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}4olcott
7 Sep 24         i `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}3Richard Damon
7 Sep 24         i  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}2olcott
7 Sep 24         i   `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon
7 Sep 24         `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}31Mikko
7 Sep 24          `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}30olcott
8 Sep 24           `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}29Mikko
8 Sep 24            `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}28olcott
8 Sep 24             +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}9Richard Damon
9 Sep 24             i`* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}8olcott
10 Sep 24             i `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}7Richard Damon
10 Sep 24             i  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}6olcott
11 Sep 24             i   `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}5Richard Damon
11 Sep 24             i    `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}4olcott
12 Sep 24             i     `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}3Richard Damon
12 Sep 24             i      `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}2olcott
12 Sep 24             i       `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon
9 Sep 24             `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}18Mikko
9 Sep 24              `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}17olcott
10 Sep 24               +- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon
10 Sep 24               `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}15Mikko
10 Sep 24                `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}14olcott
11 Sep 24                 +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}5Richard Damon
11 Sep 24                 i`* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}4olcott
12 Sep 24                 i `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}3Richard Damon
12 Sep 24                 i  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}2olcott
12 Sep 24                 i   `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon
11 Sep 24                 `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}8Mikko
11 Sep 24                  `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}7olcott
12 Sep 24                   +* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}3Richard Damon
12 Sep 24                   i`* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}2olcott
12 Sep 24                   i `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon
12 Sep 24                   `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}3Mikko
12 Sep 24                    `* Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}2olcott
12 Sep 24                     `- Re: I just fixed the loophole of the Gettier cases with mt new notion of {linguistic truth}1Richard Damon

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