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On 10/17/2024 5:07 AM, joes wrote:[topic change ignored]Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 15:06:01 -0500 schrieb olcott:On 10/16/2024 3:02 PM, joes wrote:Only because they aren't simulated. But they are still terminatingAm Wed, 16 Oct 2024 14:39:37 -0500 schrieb olcott:They would not all abort when you pay close attention to ALL of theOn 10/16/2024 2:33 PM, joes wrote:Then HHH should report itself as halting, when they would all abort.Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:59:58 -0500 schrieb olcott:In other words you continue to fail to understand that unless theOn 10/16/2024 1:47 PM, joes wrote:Exactly, because your nested HHHs do not abort.Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:35:01 -0500 schrieb olcott:Which totally does not matter to the slightest degree when youOn 10/16/2024 1:06 PM, joes wrote:>Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 12:46:01 -0500 schrieb olcott:On 10/16/2024 12:27 PM, joes wrote:Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 10:39:21 -0500 schrieb olcott:On 10/16/2024 9:45 AM, joes wrote:Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 09:11:22 -0500 schrieb olcott:On 10/16/2024 9:01 AM, joes wrote:Am Wed, 16 Oct 2024 08:31:43 -0500 schrieb olcott:On 10/16/2024 1:33 AM, joes wrote:In practice you programmed H impurely.In theory this seems true when ignoring or failing to comprehendAnd if the first one does, all of them do.If the first HHH to meet its abort criteria does not act onWhereupon the simulated HHH would abort, if it weren'tHHH is correctly emulating (not simulating) the x86 languageYou are not simulating the given program, but a versionTHIS IS ALSO THE INDUSTRY STANDARD DEFINITION It isTerminating C functions must reach their "return"Which DDD does.
statement.
stipulated that *correct_x86_emulation* means that a
finite string of x86 instructions is emulated according to
the semantics of the x86 language beginning with the first
bytes of this string.
that differs in the abort check.
finite string of DDD including emulating the finite string
of itself emulating the finite string of DDD up until the
point where the emulated emulated DDD would call HHH(DDD)
again.
unnecessarily aborted.
this criteria then none of them do.
key details.
have the discipline to stay within the precisely designated scope
of the exact words that I am saying.
When HHH is an x86 emulation based termination analyzer then each
DDD *correctly_emulated_by* any HHH that it calls cannot possibly
return no matter what this HHH does.
first one aborts then none of them can possibly abort because they
all have the exact same code.
details. It is utterly impossible for any of them besides the
outermost one to abort because it aborts before any of the rest of
them see their abort criteria has been met.
programs. An infinite loop is still non-halting even if I never run it.
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