Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---

On 11/3/24 8:19 AM, olcott wrote:

On 11/3/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-11-02 10:21:09 +0000, Andy Walker said:
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On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote:

A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it.

[PO:]

Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional
deception.

That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes
all false statements. The statement itself does not change
when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
it.

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    Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.

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That is not a disagreement.
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 The term "lie" is to only be applied to intentionally
deceitful statements. To apply the term "lie" to statements
not having intentional deceit <is> itself intentional deceit.
 

You don't have the authority to make that demand, and, because you have been shown otherwise, makes it a deliberate lie.
The language, as judged by the dictionary writers, generally coclude that lies include statements that are clearly false, even if beleived.
The LAW says that statements made with reckless disreguad to the truth (even if personally believed) are legally lies, so you have no grounds to make you claim.
Even the history of the entomology of the word shows its base meaning is just a "falsehood", and not based on personal knowledge of its error.
Your mindset just shows why you made yourself a pathological liar, as you think you are just simple allowed to redefine things, which you are not.