Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---

On 11/3/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2024-11-02 10:21:09 +0000, Andy Walker said:
 

On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote:

A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it.

[PO:]

Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional
deception.

That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes
all false statements. The statement itself does not change
when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
it.

     Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.

 That is not a disagreement.

 The term "lie" is to only be applied to intentionally
deceitful statements. To apply the term "lie" to statements
not having intentional deceit <is> itself intentional deceit.