Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?

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Sujet : Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.org (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 12. Nov 2024, 08:12:58
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Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott:
On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott:
On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said:
On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote:

The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulating itself
emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not occur seems
dishonest.
Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls some other HHH
that doesn’t abort.
DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instruction final halt
state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not.
When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator returns to DDD,
which then halts.

But the HHH that simulates DDD does in fact abort and not simulate
itself aborting.
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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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11 Nov 24 * Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?90Mikko
11 Nov 24 `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?89olcott
11 Nov 24  +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
11 Nov 24  +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?86joes
11 Nov 24  i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?85olcott
11 Nov 24  i +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?4Richard Damon
12 Nov 24  i i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?3olcott
12 Nov 24  i i +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---Olcott is a liar!1Richard Damon
12 Nov 24  i i `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1joes
12 Nov 24  i `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?80joes
12 Nov 24  i  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?79olcott
12 Nov 24  i   +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?8joes
12 Nov 24  i   i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?7olcott
12 Nov 24  i   i +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?5joes
12 Nov 24  i   i i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?4olcott
12 Nov 24  i   i i +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?2joes
12 Nov 24  i   i i i`- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1olcott
13 Nov 24  i   i i `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
13 Nov 24  i   i `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
13 Nov 24  i   +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
13 Nov 24  i   `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?69Mikko
14 Nov 24  i    `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?68olcott
14 Nov 24  i     +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?49joes
14 Nov 24  i     i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT48olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT44Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT43olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT42Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i i  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT41olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i   `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT40Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i i    `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT39olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i     `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT38Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i i      `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT37olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i       +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT33joes
14 Nov 24  i     i i       i+- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i       i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT31Alan Mackenzie
14 Nov 24  i     i i       i `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT30olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i       i  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT29Richard Damon
15 Nov 24  i     i i       i   `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT28olcott
15 Nov 24  i     i i       i    `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT27Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i     `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT26olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i      `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT25Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i       `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT24olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i        `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT23Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i         `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT22olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i          `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT21Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i           `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT20olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i            `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT19Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i             `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT18olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i              `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT17Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i               `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT16olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT14joes
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                 `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT13olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                  +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT11joes
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT6olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT5Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   i `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT4olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   i  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT3Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   i   `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT2olcott
17 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   i    `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT2olcott
16 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   i`- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
17 Nov 24  i     i i       i                   `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT2olcott
17 Nov 24  i     i i       i                    `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i i       `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT3Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i i        `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT2olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i i         `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     i `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT3joes
14 Nov 24  i     i  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT2olcott
14 Nov 24  i     i   `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT1Richard Damon
14 Nov 24  i     `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?17Mikko
15 Nov 24  i      `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?16olcott
15 Nov 24  i       +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
15 Nov 24  i       +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?11Mikko
16 Nov 24  i       i`* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?10olcott
16 Nov 24  i       i +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i       i +- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1wij
16 Nov 24  i       i `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?7Mikko
16 Nov 24  i       i  `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---MY LEGACY6olcott
16 Nov 24  i       i   +* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---MY LEGACY4Richard Damon
16 Nov 24  i       i   i+* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---MY LEGACY2olcott
16 Nov 24  i       i   ii`- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---MY LEGACY1Richard Damon
17 Nov 24  i       i   i`- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---MY LEGACY1Mikko
17 Nov 24  i       i   `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---MY LEGACY1Mikko
15 Nov 24  i       `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?3joes
16 Nov 24  i        `* Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?2olcott
16 Nov 24  i         `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Richard Damon
12 Nov 24  `- Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar?1Mikko

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