Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input

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Sujet : Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input
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Date : 06. May 2025, 13:14:43
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On 5/6/2025 1:54 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/6/2025 12:49 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 06/05/2025 00:29, olcott wrote:
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<snip>
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It is the problem incorrect specification that creates
the contradiction.
>
Not at all. The contradiction arises from the fact that it is not possible to construct a universal decider.
>
Everyone here insists that functions computed
by models of computation can ignore inputs and
base their output on something else.
>
I don't think anyone's saying that.
>
Maybe you don't read so well.
>
 What are the exact steps for DD to be emulated by HHH
according to the semantics of the x86 language?
*Only an execution trace will do*
The exact same steps for DD to be emulated by UTM.
And HHH doesn't correctly do this, as you have agreed on the record:
On 5/5/2025 8:24 AM, dbush wrote:
 > On 5/4/2025 11:03 PM, dbush wrote:
 >> On 5/4/2025 10:05 PM, olcott wrote:
 >>> On 5/4/2025 7:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 >>>> But HHH doesn't correct emulated DD by those rules, as those rules
 >>>> do not allow HHH to stop its emulation,
 >>>
 >>> Sure they do you freaking moron...
 >>
 >> Then show where in the Intel instruction manual that the execution of
 >> any instruction other than a HLT is allowed to stop instead of
 >> executing the next instruction.
 >>
 >> Failure to do so in your next reply, or within one hour of your next
 >> post on this newsgroup, will be taken as you official on-the-record
 >> admission that there is no such allowance and that HHH does NOT
 >> correctly simulate DD.
 >
 > Let the record show that Peter Olcott made the following post in this
 > newsgroup after the above message:
 >
 > On 5/4/2025 11:04 PM, olcott wrote:
 >  > D *WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING UNLESS*
 >  > indicates that professor Sipser was agreeing
 >  > to hypotheticals AS *NOT CHANGING THE INPUT*
 >  >
 >  > You are taking
 >  > *WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING UNLESS*
 >  > to mean *NEVER STOPS RUNNING* that is incorrect.
 >
 > And has made no attempt after over 9 hours to show where in the Intel
 > instruction manual that execution is allowed to stop after any
 > instruction other than HLT.
 >
 > Therefore, as per the above criteria:
 >
 > LET THE RECORD SHOW
 >
 > That Peter Olcott
 >
 > Has *officially* admitted
 >
 > That DD is NOT correctly simulated by HHH

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