Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input

On 5/6/2025 10:28 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/6/2025 5:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/6/25 3:20 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/6/2025 2:10 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 06.mei.2025 om 20:47 schreef olcott:

On 5/6/2025 7:14 AM, dbush wrote:

On 5/6/2025 1:54 AM, olcott wrote:

On 5/6/2025 12:49 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:

On 06/05/2025 00:29, olcott wrote:
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It is the problem incorrect specification that creates
the contradiction.

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Not at all. The contradiction arises from the fact that it is not possible to construct a universal decider.
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Everyone here insists that functions computed
by models of computation can ignore inputs and
base their output on something else.

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I don't think anyone's saying that.
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Maybe you don't read so well.
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What are the exact steps for DD to be emulated by HHH
according to the semantics of the x86 language?
*Only an execution trace will do*

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The exact same steps for DD to be emulated by UTM.
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_DD()
[00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
[00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
[0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
[00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
[0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
[0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00002154] 5d         pop ebp
[00002155] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
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Machine address by machine address specifics
that you know that you cannot provide because
you know that you are wrong.
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That you do not understand it, does not mean that it has not been provided to you. It has, many times. If you do not know that you are wrong, you must be very stupid.

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Everything besides a machine address by machine
address of DD emulated by HHH (according to the
rules of the x86 language) where the emulated
DD reaches its own "ret" instruction

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In other words, if people don't agree with your fantasy that is just in error, then "they" must be wrong.
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No, it
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*IS A DISHONEST DODGE AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL QUESTION*

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No, YOU are a dishoneast dodge from the actual question
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Most of my reviewers switch to rhetoric when they
know that they are wrong and still want to disagree.
Disagreement (not truth) is their highest priority.
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Nope, that is just you projecting again.

 You keep saying the DD emulated by HHH according
to the rules of the x86 language is wrong.
 

No, he's saying that it *doesn't*, as you are on record as admitting:
On 5/5/2025 8:24 AM, dbush wrote:
 > On 5/4/2025 11:03 PM, dbush wrote:
 >> On 5/4/2025 10:05 PM, olcott wrote:
 >>> On 5/4/2025 7:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 >>>> But HHH doesn't correct emulated DD by those rules, as those rules
 >>>> do not allow HHH to stop its emulation,
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 >>> Sure they do you freaking moron...
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 >> Then show where in the Intel instruction manual that the execution of
 >> any instruction other than a HLT is allowed to stop instead of
 >> executing the next instruction.
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 >> Failure to do so in your next reply, or within one hour of your next
 >> post on this newsgroup, will be taken as you official on-the-record
 >> admission that there is no such allowance and that HHH does NOT
 >> correctly simulate DD.
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 > Let the record show that Peter Olcott made the following post in this
 > newsgroup after the above message:
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 > On 5/4/2025 11:04 PM, olcott wrote:
 >  > D *WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING UNLESS*
 >  > indicates that professor Sipser was agreeing
 >  > to hypotheticals AS *NOT CHANGING THE INPUT*
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 >  > You are taking
 >  > *WOULD NEVER STOP RUNNING UNLESS*
 >  > to mean *NEVER STOPS RUNNING* that is incorrect.
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 > And has made no attempt after over 9 hours to show where in the Intel
 > instruction manual that execution is allowed to stop after any
 > instruction other than HLT.
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 > Therefore, as per the above criteria:
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 > LET THE RECORD SHOW
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 > That Peter Olcott
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 > Has *officially* admitted
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 > That DD is NOT correctly simulated by HHH