Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS

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Sujet : Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 10. May 2025, 16:53:35
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Op 10.mei.2025 om 17:25 schreef olcott:
On 5/10/2025 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-05-09 16:25:12 +0000, olcott said:
>
void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
>
When 1 or more statements of DDD are correctly
simulated by HHH then this correctly simulated
DDD cannot possibly reach its own “return statement”.
(final halt state)
>
That one or more statements of DDD are correctly simulated does not
mean that DDD is correctly simulated.
>
 It is stipulated that when one or more statements
of DDD are correctly simulated that one or more
statements of DDD are correctly simulated.
 It is ridiculously stupid to require a simulating
termination analyzer to continue to simulate a non
terminating input.
 
1) In other words: When the computation of a value diverges, we can not require that it continues, so a wild guess must be correct.
2) If the analyser would continue, it would see that it is a terminating input. The input specifies a buggy halting program, but the buggy simulator does not see the behaviour specified in the input.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
9 May 25 * Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS23olcott
9 May 25 +* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS7Richard Heathfield
9 May 25 i+* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS3olcott
9 May 25 ii+- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Damon
9 May 25 ii`- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Heathfield
9 May 25 i`* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS3Mike Terry
9 May 25 i `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS2olcott
9 May 25 i  `- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Damon
9 May 25 +- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Damon
10 May 25 +- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Fred. Zwarts
10 May 25 `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS13Mikko
10 May 25  `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS12olcott
10 May 25   +- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Fred. Zwarts
10 May 25   +- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Damon
11 May 25   `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS9Mikko
11 May 25    `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS8olcott
11 May 25     +* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS3Richard Damon
11 May 25     i`* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS2olcott
12 May 25     i `- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Damon
12 May 25     `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS4Mikko
12 May 25      `* Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS3olcott
12 May 25       +- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1dbush
13 May 25       `- Re: Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) --- REFUTES INCORRECT REQUIREMENTS1Richard Damon

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