Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification

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Sujet : Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 14. May 2025, 22:25:53
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On 5/14/2025 4:16 PM, dbush wrote:
On 5/14/2025 3:17 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/14/2025 2:06 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
On 14/05/2025 18:50, Mike Terry wrote:
On 14/05/2025 08:11, vallor wrote:
Spent a couple of hours reading back the last few days of posts. Huboy,
what a train wreck.  (But like a train wreck, it's hard to look
away, which might explain how this has been going on for 20(?) years.)
>
I want to thank both Richard's, wij, dbush, Mike, Keith, Fred,
Mikko, and anybody else I've forgotten for trying to explain to
Mr. Olcott and Mr. Flibble how you all see their claims.  I wanted to
point out three things:
>
a) Mr. Olcott claims his HHH simulator detects an non-terminating
input and halts.  But others (I forget who) report that -- due
to a bug -- D would actually terminate on its own.  His HHH
simulator therefore gives the wrong answer.
>
Not really due to a bug.  D actually /does/ terminate on its own, and that's a consequence of PO's intended design.  (Yes, there are bugs, but D's coding is what PO intended.)
>
Hmm, I thought some more about this.  What's considered a bug (rather than e.g. a design error) is entirely dependent on the program's specification.
>
void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
>
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
     input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
     would never stop running unless aborted then
>
And *yet again* you lie by implying Sipser agrees with your interpretation of the above when definitive proof has been repeatedly provided that he did not:
 
If that was actually true then you could provide an
alternative meaning for the exact words stated above.
I keep challenging you to provide this alternative
meaning and you dodge because you know that you are
lying about there being any alternative meaning
FOR THE EXACT WORDS LISTED ABOVE.
--
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
14 May 25 * What. A. Slog.24vallor
14 May 25 +* Re: What. A. Slog.2olcott
15 May 25 i`- Re: What. A. Slog.1Richard Damon
14 May 25 +* Re: What. A. Slog.20Mike Terry
14 May 25 i+* The exact words of this spec are met2olcott
15 May 25 ii`- Re: The exact words of this spec are met1Richard Damon
14 May 25 i`* Re: What. A. Slog.17Mike Terry
14 May 25 i `* HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification16olcott
14 May 25 i  +* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification7dbush
14 May 25 i  i+- Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification1olcott
14 May 25 i  i`* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification5olcott
14 May 25 i  i +- Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification1dbush
15 May 25 i  i `* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification3Mikko
16 May 25 i  i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification2olcott
16 May 25 i  i   `- Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification1Mikko
15 May 25 i  `* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification8Richard Damon
15 May 25 i   `* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification7olcott
15 May 25 i    +* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification5Richard Damon
15 May 25 i    i`* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification4olcott
15 May 25 i    i +* Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification2Fred. Zwarts
16 May 25 i    i i`- Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification1Mikko
15 May 25 i    i `- Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification1Richard Damon
15 May 25 i    `- Re: HHH(DDD) correctly determines the halt status of its input according to this specification1Richard Heathfield
15 May 25 `- Re: What. A. Slog.1Mikko

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