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Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C

Sujet : Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 16. May 2025, 16:17:01

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On 5/16/2025 8:46 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/15/25 10:16 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/15/2025 9:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/15/25 7:43 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/15/2025 6:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/15/25 4:47 PM, olcott wrote:
I overcome the proof of undecidability of the Halting
Problem in that the code that
"does the opposite of whatever value that HHH returns"
becomes unreachable to DD correctly simulated by HHH.
>
Nope, only to youtr INCORRECTLY simuated by HHH.
>
>
In other words you believe that professor Sipser
screwed up when he agreed with these exact words.
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No, you just don't know the meaning of them.
>
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<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
     input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
     would never stop running unless aborted then
>
     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>
>
>
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Remember, he works in Computation Theory, and thus talks about PROGRAMS, these BY DEFINITION include all of their algrorithm/code as part of themselves.
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You have admitted/stipuated that YOUR "DD" and "DDD" are NOT program, but just (non-leaf) "C functions", and thus his statement just doesn't apply to your system.
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Also, "its simulated D would never stop runnign unless aborted" means exactly that, The D that H was given
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cannot possibly ever stop running unless aborted by H
"Aborted by H" wasn't in the quote.

Mike explains all of the details of how the
above quote does derive a correct Simulating Halt Decider.
On 5/14/2025 7:36 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
> There is a natural (and correct) statement that Sipser
> is far more likely (I'd say) to have agreed to.
>
> First you should understand the basic idea behind a
> "Simulating Halt Decider" (*SHD*) that /partially/
> simulates its input, while observing each simulation
> step looking for certain halting/non-halting patterns
> in the simulation. A simple (working) example here
> is an input which goes into a tight loop.
(Mike says much more about this)
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15 May 25	Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	220	olcott
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16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	3	olcott
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16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	4	olcott
16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	1	olcott
16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	1	Richard Damon
17 May10:35	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	1	Mikko
16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	201	olcott
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16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	3	Richard Damon
16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	2	olcott
16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	1	Richard Damon
16 May 25	Re: Overcoming the proof of undecidability of the Halting Problem by a simple example in C	134	Mikko
16 May 25	Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	133	olcott
17 May11:06	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	132	Mikko
17 May18:15	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	131	olcott
17 May20:58	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	3	Richard Damon
17 May21:03	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	2	olcott
18 May10:12	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	1	Mikko
18 May10:09	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	127	Mikko
18 May16:21	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	120	Mike Terry
18 May18:28	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	119	olcott
18 May20:08	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	28	joes
18 May20:18	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	27	olcott
18 May20:30	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	1	Richard Damon
19 May11:12	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	25	Mikko
20 May05:10	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	24	olcott
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18 May19:36	Re: Mike Terry Proves --- How the requirements that Professor Sipser agreed to are exactly met	6	olcott