Re: Why Peter Olcott is incorrect

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Sujet : Re: Why Peter Olcott is incorrect
De : news.dead.person.stones (at) *nospam* darjeeling.plus.com (Mike Terry)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 18. May 2025, 02:06:43
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On 18/05/2025 01:11, Mr Flibble wrote:
Hi!
 In the case of pathological input, Peter's SHD only needs to report a
correct halting result *as if* the simulation was run to completion:
Right.  If the simulation is run to completion, that's like a UTM simulating the input, and equivalent to asking whether the input halts.  This is the case for all inputs, not just "pathological" ones, whatever they are exactly.
PO's DD() calls an "embedded HHH" which aborts its simulation.  If that DD is simulated to completion it halts, so that is what his SHD needs to report.  PO has verified this directly, and has published the traces showing DD halting when simulated to completion.

whether we abort, or continue until we run out of stack space makes no
difference: we are detecting INFINITE recursion which can be viewed as non-
halting.
Eh?  PO does have a couple of SHDs that simulate his DD to completion, and they all show DD halting!   There's no infinite recursion, only some level of finite recursive simulation.
PO gets confused, because his SHD HHH simply /doesn't/ simulate DD to completion.  It aborts, and then decides non-halting.  That's the reverse of what you said in the first paragraph.  So your thread title is misleading - PO is actually *incorrect*.  I've corrected the title to avoid confusion.
Mike.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 May02:06 * Re: Why Peter Olcott is incorrect17Mike Terry
18 May02:42 +* Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct10Mike Terry
18 May03:06 i+* Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct5Mike Terry
18 May04:09 ii`* Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct4olcott
18 May11:08 ii +- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1Mikko
18 May11:11 ii +- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1Fred. Zwarts
18 May12:12 ii `- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1Richard Damon
18 May04:01 i+* Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct3olcott
18 May10:58 ii+- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1Fred. Zwarts
18 May11:12 ii`- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1Mikko
18 May04:03 i`- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1olcott
18 May03:08 +* Re: Why Peter Olcott is proven correct by honest reviewers3olcott
18 May10:55 i+- Re: Why Peter Olcott is proven correct by honest reviewers1Fred. Zwarts
18 May11:21 i`- Re: Why Peter Olcott is proven correct by honest reviewers1Mikko
18 May03:28 `* Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct3olcott
18 May04:12  +- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1olcott
18 May11:17  `- Re: Why Peter Olcott is correct1Mikko

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