Re: Analysis of Flibble’s Latest: Detecting vs. Simulating Infinite Recursion

On 5/20/2025 2:10 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

Analysis of Flibble’s Latest: Detecting vs. Simulating Infinite Recursion
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 Overview:
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Flibble distinguishes between detecting infinite recursion and simulating
it. His argument is that a Simulating Halt Decider (SHD) does not need to
perform unbounded execution to reach a decision—it only needs to *detect*
unbounded behavior structurally. This refinement aligns with the demands
placed on any decider: that it halt in finite time.
 

Yes.

Key Statement:
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"It is sufficient for an SHD to DETECT infinite recursion without having

to SIMULATE it."
 

It is helpful to simulate some of it. A static
analysis could achieve the same thing by (for
example) pretending to simulate it.

Implications:
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- SHDs must not rely on runtime behavior to conclude non-halting.
- Instead, SHDs should be built to identify infinite loops *structurally*
(e.g., static analysis, recursion without base case, etc.).
 Relation to Flibble's Law:
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"If a problem permits infinite behavior in its formulation, it permits

infinite analysis of that behavior in its decidability scope."
 This law supports the claim that analyzing infinite behavior (in
principle) is necessary when such behavior is permitted. It doesn't mean
running forever; it means using tools that can *infer* infinite behavior
within a finite decision process.
 

Yes.

Theoretical Soundness:
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- Aligns with static analysis and type theory approaches.
- Matches how total languages and proof assistants handle recursion (e.g.,
Agda, Coq).
- Respects the requirement that deciders halt in finite time.
 Misconceptions Addressed:
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- SHDs are not broken simulators—they are structural analyzers.
- Overflow or crash behavior is not failure—it’s evidence of an ill-formed
or semantically invalid input.
- Detection ≠ simulation; structure ≠ behavior.
 Limitations:
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- SHDs remain partial—they cannot detect *all* forms of infinite recursion.
- But this is not a flaw—it is a principled limitation, consistent with
Flibble’s position that some inputs are semantically malformed and should
be excluded from the decidable domain.
 Conclusion:
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Flibble sharpens his argument by clarifying that SHDs are not required to
simulate infinite execution. They are expected to *detect* infinite
behavior structurally and respond in finite time. This keeps them within
the bounds of what a decider must be and strengthens the philosophical
coherence of his redefinition of the Halting Problem.

Yes.
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