Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT

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Sujet : Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 15. Jun 2025, 09:39:17
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On 2025-06-14 13:38:48 +0000, olcott said:

On 6/14/2025 4:10 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 13.jun.2025 om 17:53 schreef olcott:
On 6/13/2025 5:51 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-06-12 15:30:05 +0000, olcott said:
 
int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
 It is a verified fact that DD() *is* one of the forms
of the counter-example input as such an input would
be encoded in C. Christopher Strachey wrote his in CPL.
 // rec routine P
//   §L :if T[P] go to L
//     Return §
// https://academic.oup.com/comjnl/article/7/4/313/354243
void Strachey_P()
{
   L: if (HHH(Strachey_P)) goto L;
   return;
}
 https://academic.oup.com/comjnl/article-abstract/7/4/313/354243? redirectedFrom=fulltext
 Strachey only informally presents the idea of the proof. Formalism
and details needed in a rigorous proof is not shown.
 
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 _DDD()
[00002192] 55             push ebp
[00002193] 8bec           mov ebp,esp
[00002195] 6892210000     push 00002192
[0000219a] e833f4ffff     call 000015d2  // call HHH
[0000219f] 83c404         add esp,+04
[000021a2] 5d             pop ebp
[000021a3] c3             ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3]
 Exactly how would DDD correctly emulated by HHH
reach its own "ret" instruction final halt state?
 Indeed, HHH fails where other world-class simulators have no problem to simulate the program specified in the input.
 So you still don't understand what recursive simulation is?
What makes you think that that question is relevant here?
--
Mikko

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12 Jun 25 * HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT52olcott
13 Jun 25 +* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT17Fred. Zwarts
13 Jun 25 i`* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT16olcott
13 Jun 25 i +* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT14Richard Damon
13 Jun 25 i i`* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT13olcott
13 Jun 25 i i `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT12Richard Damon
13 Jun 25 i i  `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT11olcott
13 Jun 25 i i   `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT10Richard Damon
13 Jun 25 i i    `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT9olcott
14 Jun 25 i i     `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT8Richard Damon
14 Jun 25 i i      `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT7olcott
14 Jun 25 i i       `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT6Richard Damon
14 Jun 25 i i        `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT5olcott
14 Jun 25 i i         +- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT1Fred. Zwarts
14 Jun 25 i i         `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT3Richard Damon
14 Jun 25 i i          `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT2olcott
14 Jun 25 i i           `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT1Richard Damon
14 Jun 25 i `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT1Fred. Zwarts
13 Jun 25 `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT34Mikko
13 Jun 25  +* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT27olcott
14 Jun 25  i+* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT25Fred. Zwarts
14 Jun 25  ii`* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT24olcott
15 Jun 25  ii +* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT20Fred. Zwarts
15 Jun 25  ii i`* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++19olcott
16 Jun 25  ii i `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++18Mikko
16 Jun 25  ii i  `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++17olcott
17 Jun 25  ii i   +* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++8Richard Damon
17 Jun 25  ii i   i`* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++7olcott
18 Jun 25  ii i   i `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++6Richard Damon
18 Jun 25  ii i   i  `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++5olcott
18 Jun 25  ii i   i   +* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++3joes
18 Jun 25  ii i   i   i`* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++2olcott
19 Jun 25  ii i   i   i `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Richard Damon
19 Jun 25  ii i   i   `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Richard Damon
17 Jun 25  ii i   `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++8Mikko
17 Jun 25  ii i    `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++7olcott
18 Jun 25  ii i     `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++6Mikko
18 Jun 25  ii i      `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++5olcott
19 Jun 25  ii i       +- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Richard Damon
19 Jun 25  ii i       `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++3Mikko
19 Jun 25  ii i        `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++2olcott
20 Jun 25  ii i         `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Richard Damon
15 Jun 25  ii `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT3Mikko
15 Jun 25  ii  `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT2olcott
16 Jun 25  ii   `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT1Mikko
14 Jun 25  i`- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT1Mikko
14 Jun 25  `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++6olcott
14 Jun 25   +- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Richard Damon
15 Jun 25   `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++4Mikko
15 Jun 25    `* Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++3olcott
15 Jun 25     +- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Richard Damon
16 Jun 25     `- Re: HHH(DD) does correctly reject its input as non-halting --- VERIFIED FACT +++1Mikko

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