Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct

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Sujet : Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct
De : noreply (at) *nospam* example.org (joes)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 19. Jul 2025, 10:47:48
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Am Fri, 18 Jul 2025 18:35:49 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/18/2025 6:04 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
On 18/07/2025 20:53, olcott wrote:

No one even attempts yo point out any actual errors.
Joes just said that HHH cannot possibly emulate itself after I have
conclusively proved that it does.
https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
 
I believe he explained that he was saying that HHH cannot emulate
itself /to completion/.
 
Here is what *she* said On 7/18/2025 3:49 AM, joes wrote:
 > That is wrong. It is, as you say, very obvious that *HHH cannot
 > simulate DDD past the call to HHH*
>
He is correct in that.  And your PDF shows HHH aborting its emulation
before completion, and so that does not contradict what he was saying.

Yes, that is what I said. Mike got it right and Petey got it wrong.

The most important reviewer at CACM did exchange 20 emails with me to
review my work. He ended up giving up because he did not know x86
assembly language well enough.
Well that's /your/ explanation of why he gave up.  You often accuse
I still have the emails.
Cool, post them.

people here of not understanding C or not understanding x86
sufficiently, when that is never actually the case.  It is always you
who is misunderstanding what is being said.
So obviously this will be another example of the same.  I guess it took
that long for the reviewer to convince himself there was no interesting
"core of truth" that might be behind your paper.
Still - I'm surprised that 20 emails were exchanged.  The reviewer was
obviously extremely conscientious in trying to pin down what you were
trying to say, behind all your confused wordings!
 
He never pointed out a single mistake.
The "mistakes" that have been pointed out in their forum are either
counter-factual
On 7/18/2025 3:49 AM, joes wrote:
 > *HHH cannot simulate DDD past the call to HHH*
No, that is a fact you continue to assert.

DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own simulated
"return" statement final halt state because the input to HHH(DDD)
specifies the non-halting behavior pattern or recursive simulation
 
is dishonestly paraphrased as the directly executed DDD() reaches its
"return" statement.
LOL no. Those are two different sentences.

--
Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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17 Jul 25 * The halting problem as defined is a category error166olcott
18 Jul 25 +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error110Mike Terry
18 Jul 25 i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error6olcott
18 Jul 25 ii+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error4Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 iii`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error3olcott
19 Jul 25 iii +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 iii `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 ii`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct103olcott
18 Jul 25 i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct102Mike Terry
18 Jul 25 i  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct101olcott
18 Jul 25 i   +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct33joes
18 Jul 25 i   i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct2olcott
19 Jul 25 i   ii`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 i   i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct3olcott
19 Jul 25 i   ii+- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 i   ii`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i   i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct27olcott
19 Jul 25 i   i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct26Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i   i  `* Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==025olcott
20 Jul08:57 i   i   +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==06Fred. Zwarts
20 Jul16:18 i   i   i`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==05olcott
20 Jul23:50 i   i   i +- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
21 Jul09:38 i   i   i `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==03Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul15:25 i   i   i  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
22 Jul10:12 i   i   i   `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Fred. Zwarts
19 Jul 25 i   i   `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==018wij
19 Jul 25 i   i    `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==017olcott
19 Jul 25 i   i     +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==015olcott
19 Jul 25 i   i     i+* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==013wij
19 Jul 25 i   i     ii`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==012olcott
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20 Jul15:33 i   i     ii   i`* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==04olcott
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20 Jul23:57 i   i     ii   i  `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
21 Jul01:24 i   i     ii   i   `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
19 Jul 25 i   i     ii   `* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==04wij
19 Jul 25 i   i     ii    +* Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==02olcott
20 Jul03:23 i   i     ii    i`- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
20 Jul04:14 i   i     ii    `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01olcott
20 Jul03:23 i   i     i`- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
20 Jul03:23 i   i     `- Re: Four Chatbots figure out on their own without prompting that HHH(DDD)==01Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 i   +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct15wij
18 Jul 25 i   i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct6wij
18 Jul 25 i   ii`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct5olcott
18 Jul 25 i   ii `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct4Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 i   ii  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct3olcott
19 Jul 25 i   ii   +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 i   ii   `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 i   i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct8olcott
18 Jul 25 i   i +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct3wij
18 Jul 25 i   i i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct2olcott
18 Jul 25 i   i i `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1wij
18 Jul 25 i   i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct4Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 i   i  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct3olcott
19 Jul 25 i   i   +- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
18 Jul 25 i   i   `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 i   `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct52Mike Terry
18 Jul 25 i    +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct21olcott
19 Jul 25 i    i+- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Richard Damon
18 Jul 25 i    i+* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct4joes
18 Jul 25 i    ii+- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1olcott
18 Jul 25 i    ii+- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1olcott
18 Jul 25 i    ii`- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1olcott
19 Jul 25 i    i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct15Mike Terry
19 Jul 25 i    i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct14olcott
19 Jul 25 i    i  +* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct12Fred. Zwarts
19 Jul 25 i    i  i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct11olcott
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20 Jul16:13 i    i  i i`* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct8olcott
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21 Jul15:19 i    i  i i `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct6olcott
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22 Jul15:19 i    i  i i  `* Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct4joes
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23 Jul09:52 i    i  i i     `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1Fred. Zwarts
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19 Jul 25 i    i  `- Re: The halting problem as defined is a category error --- Flibble is correct1joes
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20 Jul17:06 i     iiii i`* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]2olcott
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21 Jul09:24 i     iii  +- Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]1Fred. Zwarts
21 Jul00:13 i     iii  `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]9Richard Damon
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21 Jul01:29 i     iii    `* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]7Richard Damon
21 Jul01:45 i     iii     +* Re: Respect [was: The halting problem as defined is a category error]4olcott
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