Re: Windows-think and systemd (Was: Something completely unrelated to what we're yapping about now)

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Sujet : Re: Windows-think and systemd (Was: Something completely unrelated to what we're yapping about now)
De : Muttley (at) *nospam* dastardlyhq.com
Groupes : comp.unix.programmer
Date : 07. Dec 2024, 17:05:53
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Message-ID : <vj1rp1$363i0$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2 3 4 5
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 15:00:50 -0000 (UTC)
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) gabbled:
In article <vj16j0$30r12$1@dont-email.me>,  <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
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What would you say systemd does that is not related to that?
>
Networking, including DNS
Graphics
Logging
systemd-boot
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Basically init should start the system, maintain some the running of
some essential daemons and then leave well alone.
>
I agree with you.  But it underscores a major difference between two very
different ways of thinking about computing, which can be described as
"Unix-think" vs. "Windows-think".
>
systemd represents nothing so much as the bringing of "Windows-think" to Unix.
>
If one embraces "Windows-think", then systemd makes complete sense.

Yes, I've heard that said before and it does ring true. I guess we should be
thankful that systemd still uses text based config but I wouldn't be surprised
if some Windows like binary registry isn't somewhere on the horizon. Of course
Poettering has worked for MS for a long time so one can see where all his bad
ideas come from.



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