Re: OT: Windows (Was: Re: Open Source does not mean easily

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De : rweikusat (at) *nospam* talktalk.net (Rainer Weikusat)
Groupes : comp.unix.programmer
Date : 06. Jan 2025, 19:24:24
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James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
On 1/6/25 11:46, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org writes:
...
Unix signals should only be used to set flags that are then read later.
 
You're opinion is not widely shared.   Note that the POSIX specification
carefully notes which interfaces are not signal-safe.
>
What precisely does "signal-safe" mean?

The UNIX standard has meanwhile started to contradict itself on this
topic because of the apparent attempt to follow the (pretty silly) C++
memory model incorporated into C for no particular reason. But the
relevant part of the UNIX definition (still part of the current
definition) used to be

In the presence of signals, all functions defined by this volume
of POSIX.1-2024 shall behave as defined when called from or
interrupted by a signal-catching function, with the exception
that when a signal interrupts an unsafe function or
function-like macro, or equivalent (such as the processing
equivalent to exit() performed after a return from the initial
call to main()), and the signal-catching function calls an
unsafe function or function-like macro, the behavior is
undefined.

This text is below the list of async-signal safe interfaces. It
contradicts the

the behavior is undefined if:

[...]
       
    The signal handler calls any function or function-like macro
    defined in this standard other than one of the functions and
    macros specified below as being async-signal-safe.

immediately above it.

https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/functions/V2_chap02.html#tag_16_04

When ignoring the apparent attempt at making signals really impossible
to use, "async signal-safe" is really quite simple: Any handler can do
anything provided it doesn't invoke some kind of not async signal safe
interface. A handler which didn't interrupt an interface that's not
async signal safe can anything, including calling unsafe functions.

A usual way to achieve the latter is to keep signals blocked except when
calling an async signal safe functions, eg, pselect, ppoll or
sigsuspend.



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