Re: green bubble syndrome

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-10-11, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-10-10, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

On 2024-10-09 14:30:27 +0000, badgolferman said:

 
If you're an Android user, and you've been sensing some deep
tensions between yourself and iPhone users, you may not be
imagining it.  According to a new survey conducted by All About
Cookies, some iPhone users "think less" of others represented as a
green bubble while texting, which often depicts Android users.
 
Conversely, a notable number of Android users have considered
switching to iPhone. Not necessarily because they believe that
it's a better device, but because they've felt pressured or
ridiculed into making the change.
 
For this study, All About Cookies surveyed 1,000 anonymous adults
in July 2024 via Pollfish, a market research survey tool.

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Wow! A whole 1000 ... what's that, 0.000000000000001% of users?
What a cmoplete waste of time and money. There's absolutely nothing
actually meaningful nor useful in that survey "result".  :-\

 
You've no idea how surveying works. If done correctly 1-2 thousand
ppl is a good sized survey.

 
Apple sold 2.5 BILLION iPhones (as of 2023, so not counting 2024),
and you are trying to tell us that a survey of 1000 people is
significant?  Quick question: How many times do you think 1000 goes
into 2.5 billion?

 
You're doing a numerical comparison not a statistical one.

 
A meaningless distinction since we know nothing at all about the
methodology used in this survey.

It's not meaningless. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Simply one number is bigger than another doesn't intrinsically mean it is
note important.

Population samples which are tiny fractions of the whole can be very
reliable. There is a whole scientific field of statistical sampling.

 
Again, there's no evidence any scientific method was used here. If there
was, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That's not the reason we're having this discussion...

The article also tells nothing about how these people were selected
or approached for questioning - but you're certain the outcome is
relevant?

 
I explicitly said I wasn't certain. Note the "if".

 
Neither am I, which is in fact the entire point.

Yet you're the one getting annoyed by the result.

You, however, are certain they are not relevant based on literally no
evidence other than dumb maths.

 
No, in fact my doubts are based on the lack of evidence. And that's how
science actually works.

There is evidence. The results in the survey in fact. The fact you choose
to disregard them is your opinion.

Do you work for a circus, by chance?
 
I know many people who use iPhones. I don't know any of them who
think less of anyone simply due to what kind of phone they happen to
use.

 
Lol. You are literally arguing that your tiny n of a highly biased set
is more significant than when n = 1000 in a formal survey. jfc.

 
I know, work with and support more than 1000 iPhone users, yet you
assume otherwise.

Sure you do. And you know all their opinions on coloured bubbles do you?

Your bias is on display here.

I have none. I literally do not care what the survey says. My bone is you
and yourname are desperately trying to dispute the survey simply because
you disagree with the results.

You are more willing to
believe a survey of anonymous participants where the methodology is not
in evidence published by this website, yet unwilling to believe a
similar survey done by someone else, why? Because it isn't published on
a website? You do realize anyone can publish anything on a website,
right?

I don't believe the survey more. I'm simply highlighting the weakness in
your position. You could be right, but you've shown nothing but bias and
anecdote. Try harder.

And while I realize this is anecdotal, I find it hard to believe

 
Well done for revealing your internal bias.

 
On the contrary, unlike the website publishing this survey, I've told
you my results are anecdotal.

And yet still using them as a basis to refute the other results which means
you think yours are more important. Simply based on bias.

a significant number of iPhone users even care about such a trivial
thing.  This whole thing smacks of anti-intellectual tribalism (aka
zealotry) being pushed by trolls.

 
The only evidence of "anti-intellectual tribalism" is coming from you.

 
Says the guy who blindly believes a survey without knowing anything
about the methodologies used... 🤡

I don't care what the survey says.