Re: DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS messaging is involved

On 2024-04-01 14:57:08 +0000, badgolferman said:

Your Name wrote:

On 2024-04-01 00:55:13 +0000, Tamborino said:

 This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
 Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/    So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of
security.
 This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit:  "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."

 Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking
about.  :-\
 A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
 B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
their developers, not Apple):
 "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."

 This is the relevant part of the article.  There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users.  The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.

More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above, Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.

If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
 "So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."

Wrong ...
    "Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
     end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
     approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
     encryption part of the RCS standard."
Apple wants RCS to have a proper standard for encryption and not rely on Google's version, which for any one who knows Google (or Microsoft's attempts to cripple HTML) knows is obviously a good thing. Just in today's news is that Google's Chrome browser still collects data for Google even when in the supposedly private 'Incognito' mode - Google simply cannot be trusted, which is yet another good reason to avoid Android OS.
<https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-incognito-mode-data-deletion-settlement/>

"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."

As above.