Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android

On 2024-07-11 14:53, Andrew wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote on 11 Jul 2024 15:54:38 GMT :
 

I wanted to know what he found objectionable so those specific items
could be addressed.

>
Sure you do...

 Hi Jolly Roger,
 I've studied you rather strange religious zealots, where most of the time
you whine because you can't dispute the facts - and you hate that fact.
 So I won't belabor the issue that Apple's miniscule spend on R&D is widely
reported as the lowest percentage in all similar tech companies.
 You know so little about math that you don't realize spending is
proportionate to revenue in very many financial reports - and what's even
more embarrassing - tech companies far smaller than Apple spend far more.
 Nonetheless, the point of this thread isn't that Apple can only advertise
innovation - not deliver it - as it's widely known Apple can't even design
a simple 5G modem for Christs' sake - they're that incompetent - when
companies far smaller than Apple have been selling them for years already.
 To badgolferman's question, the original article questioned how Apple could
keep up given the iPhone SE is atrociously underpowered at twice the price.
 Which of those statements in the original post are you trying to dispute?
 1. Jolly Roger: Are you disputing this fact?
    Display = 6.67-inch 120Hz Super AMOLED with 2,000-nit peak brightness
    Or are you disputing this assessment of that fact?
    "making it iPhone 15 Pro-like buttery-smooth which is
    "a huge improvement over anything the iPhone SE could even dream of."
 2. JR: AR you disputing this fact?
    "There's a pretty nondescript Mediatek Dimensity 7300 chip inside,
    but it's paired with 8GB of RAM plus an "8GB RAM booster,"
    whatever that means. But over at the Apple Store, you'll need
    to buy an iPhone 15 Pro to get 8GB of RAM."

Assumes that both phones need the same amount of RAM, and your own article says:
'Yes, Android needs more RAM because of the way it works but still, that doesn't change the fact that the chips are there.'

 3. JR: Or are you disputing this fact in the article?
    "The 33W fast charging is more than the iPhone too."

The number of watts available is not the correct metric for charging.
Time until full charge is and how long that full charge will run the phone.
What we DO know is that the iPhone SE (3rd gen.) has a 2,018 mAh battery, and the Nothing CMF Phone 1 has a 5,000mAh battery.
So a 33W charger will take about 1.5 times longer to charge it to full compared to the SE.
And you don't even know how long the CMF will run on one charge.

 4. JR: Or do you dispute these facts about the camera?
    "The specs continue with a 50-megapixel Sony camera around
     the back and a 16-megapixel camera up front"

 5. JR: Or are you trying to dispute this fact?
    "while a 5,000mAh battery means you won't run for the charger"

Battery capacity is meaning less without knowing power draw.

 6. Or is it this assessment of the facts that you simply don't like?
    "If Apple really does want to stick to a price point of around $400,
     it could at least sell an iPhone that doesn't look like it came
     from 2016 with similarly outdated features."

You're quoting something about appearances, Arlen?
I'm shocked!

 https://www.engadget.com/nothings-budget-friendly-brand-cmf-announced-three-new-products-including-a-200-smartphone-100417261.html
 7. JR: Or are you tryign to dispute this fact?
    "microSDXC, 128GB 6GB RAM, 128GB 8GB RAM, 256GB 8GB RAM"
 While I realize you hate that Apple can't design competitive products,
in this thread we're only comparing this el cheapo Android phone to the
iPhone SE (which, from the specs, is highly overpriced & underpowered).

Let's look at some actual facts.
This site:
<https://www.91mobiles.com/hub/cmf-phone-1-vs-iqoo-z9-performance-comparison/#Verdict>
Shows the CMF Phone 1 has a Geekbench CPU scores of 1,015 for single core and 2,867 for multi-core.
An iPhone 15 as scores of 2,583 and 6,418 respectively.
<https://browser.geekbench.com/search?q=iphone>
To put that in greater persepctive, my iPhone, an iPhone 8 (first released nearly 7 years ago), gets Geekbench scores of 1,059 and 1,882.
So the smartphone you tout as being so marvelous is a little better than a 7-year-old iPhone.
And the iPhone SE (3rd gen.)?
Yes: it's more expensive than the Nothing CMF Phone 1...
...but with Geekbench scores of 2,213 and 5,436, it blows away the Phone 1.