Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android

On 2024-07-17 08:43, Andrew wrote:

badgolferman wrote on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:49:21 -0000 (UTC) :
 

So the net is more pollution (actually different pollution) and less
functionality (e.g., range) such that you have to keep both a real car and
one of these toy cars in order to have the same functionality as today.

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No argument with your assessment of electric vehicles. It also looks like
the general public has finally wisened up to the toy aspect as well. These
vehicles can only become mainstream with government intervention, not on
their own merits.

 My arguments are always backd up by facts as even the EPA says that making
an EV emits MORE greenhouse gases (GHG) than making an ICE vehicle does.

I'd like to see the cites for that...
...and let's look at it as a life cycle, shall we?

 Notice when the EPA is trying to dispel myths, they still have to tell the
truth where the GHGs emitted by making an EV is far greater than ICE.
  <https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths>
 It's only after driving an unspecified (secret?) number of miles that an EV
(which emits no GHGs directly) begins to cause fewer GHGs, but this doesn't
take into account the battery barely lasts 10years/100K miles, which means
that's three batteries per typical lifetime that has to be disposed of.

1. You think the typical lifetime of a motor vehicle is 30 years.
2. Tesla has shown figures that their batteries degrade by only about 12% over 200,000 miles.

 They don't count that the mining and waste from three batteries (four if it
was in an accident) also causes pollution - it's just different pollution.

I do love the way you just make up a number in one paragraph—utterly without proof, and then just continue to treat that number as if it is gospel.

 And the range. When they have to bullshit that much to claim the range is
the same as ICE vehicles, then you know that they're mandating toy cars.

Who is "bullshitting" that, precisely?

 

At least Apple makes reliable products that work decently despite being
overpriced for what you get.

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I agree with any sensibly logical statement where more than half of the USA
loves the Apple product so much that they gift Apple it huge profits.
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My main problem with Apple is how much they lie to their consumer, and my
main problem with their consumer is how stupid they are in believing it.
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It's like when Virginia Slims was advertised as liberating women from men.
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But back to the topic, have you noticed I listed key functional & price
differences between the iPhone SE and an el-cheap Android?
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What did the strange zealots do?
Did the strange zealots debate the technical merits?
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Or did the strange zealots do everything they could to deflect the topic?
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They want me to debate you on your claims but I've never claimed to be
knowledgeable enough to dispute the technical details related to mobile
phones. I'll leave that up to those who have an axe to grind.

 I always try to understand why the strange zealots act the way they do.
 I gave the specifications to the two phones, which are facts, right?
What did they give in response?

You also gave bullshit about Apple's R&D spending.