Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android

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Sujet : Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android
De : jollyroger (at) *nospam* pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Groupes : misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Date : 17. Jul 2024, 21:41:56
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On 2024-07-17, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2024-07-17 11:05, Andrew wrote:
Jolly Roger wrote on 17 Jul 2024 16:36:15 GMT :
>
What is technical about pointing out obvious lies?
>
He's trying really hard to play the plausible deniability card,
like most cowards do.
>
Which of these facts are you religious fundamentalists claiming is
a lie?
>
This particular part of the conversation was focused on your reply to
BGM, who had said that many people prefer iOS.
>
Your reply wasn't a listing of specifications (again).
>
It was this (in its entirety):
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'Hi badgolferman,
>
You'll never hear me disagree with a sensibly logical statement.
>
So thanks for pointing that out, which, as you're likely aware, is
almost completely due to pure marketing spending (not R&D spending)
by Apple.
>
As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest
in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on
earth.
>
Marketing alone, e.g., convincing people to believe that the Apple
ecosystem is safer and more secure, is what drives that high demand.
>
Not functionality. Not performance. Not capabilities.
Marketing alone.'
>
This statement:
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'As you're likely aware, Apple's R&D spend has always been the lowest
in high tech - while Apple's marketing spend is one of the highest on
earth.'
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Is a complete lie. You are deliberately lying.
>
And it's not a technical argument. It is simple, deliberate lie about
easily checked facts:
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<https://www.fdiintelligence.com/content/feature/global-innovation-leaders-2022-edition-82527>
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As of that report, only three companies outspend Apple in R&D:
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Amazon, Alphabet (Google), and Meta (Facebook).
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Now, you have tried to advance the notion that what matters is R&D
spending as a percentage of revenue, but that is absurd on its face.
>
Let me do a thought experiment for you (well, really for everyone
else, because there is precious little evidence that you ever bother
thinking):
>
Let us imagine an innovative technology company spending $X on R&D,
and that number is 30% of their revenue, when suddenly, the product
that they sell becomes tremendously successful; doubling their
revenue while their R&D spending remains constant.
>
Is that company suddenly less innovative because their revenues have
grown?
>
BGM: what do you think?
>
I think it's easy to find statistics which back up anyone's position.
Often times those very same statistics can be manipulated in a way to
suddenly support someone else's position.

Squirm, little worm!

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10 Jul 24 +- Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android1Alan
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10 Jul 24     i`* Re: People ask if the overpriced underpowered iPhone SE can compete with Android53Jolly Roger
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