Re: Apple accused of underreporting suspected CSAM on its platforms

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

On 2024-07-23, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-07-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

Jolly Roger wrote:

On 2024-07-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com>
wrote:

 
Apple declined to comment on the NSPCC's accusation, instead
pointing  The Guardian to a statement it made when it shelved the
CSAM scanning  plan.  Apple said it opted for a different
strategy  that “prioritizes  the security and privacy of [its]
users.” The  company told Wired in  August 2022 that "children
can be protected  without companies combing  through personal
data."

 
This is one reason many people choose Apple over alternatives.

 
iPhone.  The preferred mobile device of child molestors.
 
This could be a new marketing ploy someday!

 
Privacy for everyone is important.

 
Sorry, I can't agree with that.  Some people give up their right to
privacy when they harm others or society.  The laws are there for
everyone, not just those who choose to follow them.

 
Agreed.
 
No-one is forced to use icloud. If they didn't like the policy, they
could go elsewhere.

 
True. Unlike others, Apple's proposal was to only scan images on device
that were being uploaded to Apple's servers, and only match hashes of
them to a database of hashes matching known CSAM images. And only after
multiple matches reached a threshold would Apple investigate further.

All correct.

Yet even with those precautions, there was still a realistic chance of
false positives

The rate was deterministic and tunable.

and invasion of privacy, which is why they scrapped the
proposal.

No. They scrapped it because it wasn't worth pursuing. As a business it was
of no benefit to them and the noisy reaction was enough to put them off.
There wasn't any "invasion of privacy". At least no more than there
currently is in the US.

Like to google and meta, who are more than happy to share millionsof
people's private photos with law enforcement which apparently is just
fine.

 
And they do so with zero privacy protections in place.

Which is apparently fine. If privacy is so, so important to you lot why
aren't you disgusted by this and attacking them all in the newspapers like
you did with Apple? You're just spineless hypocrites.

The only mistake Apple did was to canvas opinions. They treated everyone
like adults and were shut down by the childlike reactionaries. No debate is
possible.

The NSPCC should really be complaining at how ineffectual the tech
companies are rather than complain at Apple for not sending millions of
photos to already overwhelmed authorities.