Re: did this group die?

On 11/3/2024 10:14 AM, Andrews wrote:

Tom Elam wrote on Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:18:59 -0500 :
 

As a former long-time Android phone and tablet user and defender I can
postulate too. Android feature roll-outs and OS versions happened
slowly, if at all, and were very uneven across device brands. I never
got more than one OS version update on the many HTC, Moto and Samsung
devices I owned. I had to upgrade to get the latest, and even then new
phones often did not have the latest OS installed.]

 FACTS. Not propaganda please.
 You are wrong. More to the point, your data is old. It's no longer valid.
You're five to ten years behind in all your data - so you're just wrong.
 If you used Android only two or three years ago, you won't recognize
Android of today because that's how much has changed in a short time.
 a. The iPhone has far more bugs than Android now (and far more exploits!).
b. The iPhone has far shorter operating system support than Android now.
c. With respect to fragmentation, even that is very old data.
 More Samsung devices alone are sold than iPhones are, where the
"fragmentation" you decry doesn't exist if you stick with Pixels &
Samsungs.
 To complain that other brands provide valuable choices isn't really a fair
complaint because you don't get ANY of those choices with Apple.
 And Apple's puny five years of promised supprot pales in comparison to the
Samsung and Pixel promise of seven years of full hotfix support.
 Remember, of all common consumer operating systems, Apple is the only one
with support so bad they only fully support a single release at a time.
 Those are facts. Modern facts. Not facts from ten years ago.
Those are facts from today.
 You're welcome to form a strong opinion based on old data, but just say
that your data doesn't take into account the reality of today's devices.
 

I have had to replace a battery on my iPhone 14. That was because I
tried wireless charging in the car that overheated the phone. The
replacement was easy. I took it to the local Apple Store and they had it
back to me in 2 hours.

 That's absurd. My Android debuted around the time of the iPhone 12, and
it's still going strong. But it has a modern-sized battery.
 No iPhone in the world has a batter as big as the one in my free phone.
That's the main reason iPhone batteries need to be replaced more often.
 Last we checked Apple replaces almost fifteen million batteries in the USA
alone per year. Think about that. It's huge. Apple batteries are crap.
 Not a single iPhone battery is even close in capacity to that of my free
Android phone (which only retailed for about two hundred dollars MSRP).
 

That was 6 months ago and battery life is still
100%. The cost? $0. AppleCare+ took care of it.

 Remember I said that the Apple trolls are ignorant? Remember?
Guess what? How did you get that AppleCare+ without paying for it?
 

No questions asked.

 I have a question for you.
 Since almost nobody on Android pays for any extra warranty, why do most
Apple iPhone owners pay for AppleCare+ when it's never needed?
 Think about that.
 Apple owners are so terrified of the horrendous repair costs, that they'll
pay any amount of subscription fees just to not have to worry about them.
 

have owned iPhones and iPads since the iPhone 6s era. That's the only
battery replaced spanning 8 years and 6s, SE and 14 Pro versions.

 The Apple iPads actually have decently sized batteries as it's only the
iPhone that uses comically cheap chintzy batteries in terms of capacity.
 Every time you replace a battery (and millions are replaced every year!),
Apple is laughing at you AppleCare+ owners all the way to the bank.
 

I'll never go back. There is no Android Store 15 minutes away. My phone
and tablet get annual OS updates on the day they are released, and
regular feature and security updates too that.

 The one thing you're right about is that there is no such thing as an
"Android Store", which nobody on Android needs - but iPhone owners do.
 I have plenty of Apple devices and when I take them to the Genius Bar, the
"Genius" at the Apple Store asks me what a Decibel is when I tell him that
I teste the iPhone side-by-side with my free Samsung & the Wi-Fi stinks.
 These "Genius" Bar employees don't know how things work in the real world
as you can't test Wi-Fi without knowing what a Decibel means.
 All the Genius Bar employees do is test the phone for basic stuff (like
water penetration) and recommend a new iPhone if it fails their tests.
 Remember, Apple lost the lawsuits for exactly that reason.
 Even Apple didn't tell its Genius Bar employees that they purposefully
lowered the life of the iPhone (which they paid a criminal fine for!).
 Still... the free Apple Store Genius Bar (and free classes) are a nice
touch because Apple knows owners are petrified by the complexity of tech.

Just a few replies.
I dropped my iPad 9 and cracked the screen. AppleCare+ replaced the iPad.
The Genius Bar people are incredibly helpful. I took an AirTag in that had stopped working. The tech checked it and recommended a different battery brand. That fixed it.
I bought a M1 Macbook and it bricked after 14 days. The Genius Bar tech offered to get it fixed but I asked for and received a full refund.
As for software and hardware support Apple far surpasses Android. But you don't have to believe me.
https://news.techable.com/apples-software-support-for-iphones-how-long/
"Apple typically provides iOS updates for iPhones for about six to eight years. For example, the iPhone 15 series, released in September 2023, is expected to receive updates until 2031. Similarly, the iPhone 14 series, launched in 2022, will be supported until 2029. Older models like the iPhone 8 and iPhone X, released in 2017, have recently reached the end of their update cycle as of 2023.
Apple’s support isn’t limited to just software updates. The company also offers hardware support for about five to seven years after the last sale date of the product. This means users can get their devices serviced or repaired at Apple Stores and authorized service providers during this period. This dual support system ensures that iPhones remain functional and secure long after their initial release​.
Most Android manufacturers, including major brands like Samsung and Google, typically offer around three to four years of updates. For instance, Google’s Pixel phones have started to offer five years of updates, but this still falls short of Apple’s standard. OnePlus offers three years of major updates and four years of security updates, while Motorola and Sony lag behind with even shorter support periods​​."
https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/tech/iphone-vs-android
"Apple has a consistent history of keeping older iPhone models secure against common security threats."
"Android manufacturers have a comparatively poor history of keeping their phones supported with software and security updates."
"Apple keeps more generations of iPhones supported with security updates than any Android phone maker we know about."
But facts will never convince you.