Re: [News] Disney's Steaming Content with Ads

On 11/01/2025 21:27, Blueshirt wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:
 

On 10/01/2025 22:42, Blueshirt wrote:

>
If you're not subscribed then you can't be called a
subscriber.

>
Just having an account with them means they can call you a
subscriber even if you are not paying them anything or even
watching anything. They're nothing more than a pack of
deceiving liars.
>
If you need to subscribe to obtain their service,
notifications, or show your support then you are a subscriber.

 Yes, which for Disney+ means that you have to actually pay
something to them (a subscription fee) as there is no free
content!

Nope. Once you've registered then you count as a subscriber, including if you're on a free 12 month subscription given away by your mobile phone provider. Even if you never pay Disney anything every again they still count you as a subscriber.

 Have you tried to watch Disney+ without paying a monthly
subscription fee? No? Go try it.

People have done so for nothing legally because they subscribed to a special offer.

 Now go on to YouTube and try watching people's videos without
paying anything to anyone.

And you're still a subscriber when paying nothing.

 

Plus, their figures would never go down, and Disney have
often said their subscription numbers declined in Q1 or Q3
etc... Much

>
Those are because people have deleted their accounts. They
still count you as a subscriber if your account is still
extant.

 Let me guess, you saw this mentioned on YouTube by someone,
right?

I know a scam when I see one.

 Based on people I've spoken to, IRL. People [generally] don't
delete their streaming accounts, they just stop paying when
they've had enough... or their trial offer has run out. As they

So they still count as subscribers for the statistics even when paying nothing for nothing.

may want to re-subscribe at a later date if "something decent"
comes out. So when Disney talk about "subscribers" to Disney+,
ESPN or Hulu, I'd say they mean subscribers, not account
holders, otherwise they would just say accounts!

Nope. If you have an account with them then they count you as a subscriber. How do you think those free subscriptions work?

 Do they manipulate those figures to suit their own propaganda?
I'm sure they do. But again, their figures have to be based on
something in the real world.

People who are registered with them and/or have given them their credit/payment card details, even if the card is no longer valid.

 

more easier to give people special offers that span
"quarters" and get you subscribed, or re-subscribed. Then
you can legitimately be classed as a subscriber for those
quarters, even though you might have only paid a few quid
and then un-subscribed.

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See YouTube.

 Disney+/Netflix etc. are not YouTube. The streaming services
might have a beefed-up version of the analytics that YouTube
give creators, but nobody needs to pay money to YouTube to watch
anything. The streaming services know exactly who pays to watch
their content... even if they only pay $1.99 a month... there's
no need to make up anything. They money is coming in, which is
the main thing from their POV.

They're compulsive liars. They want to make it look like Disney+ has more 'subscribers' than any other service in order to get more people to sign up and pay, and con their shareholders that the service is growing.

 

This is basically the gist of what I read a while ago anyway.
It's not so much lies, more a case of manipulation.

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So you've never used YouTube.

 You keep comparing a big streaming service like Disney+ to
YouTube. They are not the same thing. I can watch videos on
YouTube without subscribing to anybody. You can't watch ANYTHING
on Disney+ without a paid subscription. Nothing, nada! You have

That makes no difference to Disney. You pay nothing to watch nothing. Just extend the line to the origin of the graph.

to have paid something to them to access their content. I can

Nope. Vodaphone gave away free 12 month subscriptions to Disney+. People only those subscriptions paid Disney+ nothing.

subscribe to your YouTube channel and watch something without
paying you anything, or just visit your page and watch your
videos without even clicking subscribe.
 Apples & Oranges
 

Most things are a scam or PR spin these days, but I still
don't think the likes of Disney, Netflix and Amazon just
pluck random figures out of the air for their subscriber
figures.

>
Well they do. They're psychopathic liars.

 In your opinion. Although I'm sure their PR Dept does like to
spin a few yarns here and there like all the BIG companies do.
 But your viewpoint is not logical, as if Disney just made up
subscription figures willy-nilly then they would never say that
their subscription levels declined! They would just say their

Yes they would if someone deletes their account.

subscribers went up, and up and up... and that they were the
biggest and best streaming service ever.
 Everyone can massage figures to suit their own point of view but
when you are a corporation the size of Disney you can't pretend
you have millions of people paying a subscription to a service
and not have that reflected in your tax returns and annual
accounts!

Tax returns do not require publication of subscriber numbers, accounts, or where any of the profits, if there are any, came from. All they require is a number declaring the profit or loss for a certain year and whatever tax credit or credits you want to claim.

 

They might like to spin them in a positive way but
they have to be based on something. You couldn't
say you had one million subscribers and then have no income
from those services in your accounts at the end of the year!

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Except they don't publish their accounts. How much has Disney
made from actual paying subscribers? They've never given a
figure.

 Why would you expect a big corporation to show YOU their
accounts? Do you show your bank account to just anyone? However,

Why would they show them to the tax man then? You've just discredited your previous paragraph.

their accounts would certainly need to be audited and tax
returns filed with the IRS, (etc.) Their accounts would not be a

No they wouldn't. The IRS doesn't audit your accounts. An independent auditor does that for the benefit of shareholders so they don't get ripped off.

secret and their incomes from their various companies and
business units. (The Walt Disney Company own more than just

They're a secret to the public and to the tax man. Obviously someone in the debt collecting department would know who is paying their bills, who is not paying their bills, and who doesn't have to pay anything.

Disney+.) would be listed somewhere. Nobody can exist in a
financial vacuum, but there's no reason why YOU would need to
know about their income and expenditure.
 

There's no reason for the tax man to know it either. All you put on your tax return is you profit deceleration for they year, and it doesn't even have to be the actual profit you make in that year since you can carry it over to the next year or even pass it back to the year before.

You're not even a Disney+ subscriber and "Doctor Who" being

Why would I want to watch kiddie programmes?

streamed on Disney+ overseas has no relevance whatsoever to you,

Doctor Who ended in 2017 so of course the crap that Disney+ streams is of no relevance.

as you are in the UK. Yet you seem obsessively fixated over a
big company that doesn't interfere with your life... if I was

It has brought about the continued destruction of Doctor Who, therefore it has interfered with my life.

you I'd be getting more excited over how the BBC squander your
licence fee money on wages for celebrity presenters!

They've lost more money destroying Doctor Who than they pay celebrity presenters. Billions they've lost thanks to going woke.
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