Re: Genesis of the Humans

On 30/06/2025 20:23, Blueshirt wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:
 

On 30/06/2025 13:12, Blueshirt wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:
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On 29/06/2025 18:04, Blueshirt wrote:

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If you were as clever as you claim to be you would have
gone for 'unreliable translator' as you know full well
most history books, right or wrong, use the term Red
Sea. So take it up with them!

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I don't need a translator fool! I can read the original
language.

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<face palm> Maybe re-read what I typed and understand it...
I wasn't on about YOU - I was on about the people who have
translated the various books that use the term Red Sea!

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Only the stupid would think that a translation is trustworthy
compared to the original text in the original language.

 So in other words, the translations are unreliable! <rolls eyes>
 Do you spend as much energy on e-mailing the publishers of
bibles and history books pointing out it isn't actually the "Red
Sea" as you do in trying to be argumentative on Usenet?

What difference is it going to make? They're not going to alter their translations and I can read the bible in the original Greek which is the oldest extant language.

 You might see Usenet as a battleground - I see it as a
playground!
 

You should start behaving like and adult not a school child.

I don't care either way as in my opinion it's mainly a
fictitious story anyway... as I do not believe in any
god, extant or extinct.

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Then you are an even bigger fool. The Exodus is well
documented by Egyptian inscriptions and historians, the
basis of Moses can easily be identified as Amenmesse =
Messuy = Ammosis, and the god of Moses names himself in
the Bible as On which means he was Ktes = Proteus =
Setnakte since the Pharaohs of Egypt were regarded as
living deities. That's what all gods were, human kings who
were deified by the people they ruled and their decedents
because of all the wonderful things they gave to mankind
as described by Herodotus.

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There might be kings called gods by their people in times
gone past, but they were not the all-powerful imaginary gods
in the sky like the sheep of today follow and blindly
worship.

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No one ever believed they were all powerful.

 But religious people DO believe their gods are all powerful!

Those people are fools. The gods were nothing more than a bunch of mafia godfathers who took bribes (sacrifices) for favours, on condition that you had to pledge your total unwavering loyalty to them and their syndicate and not support any others they were not affiliated with.

When people's children get sick they pray to god hoping
he/she/it will save their sick child with divine intervention...
then when their child dies, they say god has his reasons/god
works in mysterious ways... (etc.)
 YOU might be on about ancient kings that their citizens thought
were gods based on the manuscripts you've read from centuries
past, but that is not the thoughts of a lot of the general
public who follow an organised religion... or the sort of thing
that was being discussed here.
 

What is being discussed here is Genesis and I am explaining where the stories originally came from.

I also say; anyone believing in such fictitious mumbo jumbo
like gods parting seas for people, or creating females from
the side of a male, immediately show themselves to be
gullible fools and easily led.

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They were not the sides of males. Did you bother to read
Aristophanes speech in Plat's Symposium like I said.

 No, but this discussion started about Adam & Eve, and you know
full well what the various English language bibles say about

The English language translations that say rib are all wrong. That's not how you make a translation. Even the Greek translation of the Hebrew reflects the dual meaning of the Hebrew word for side.

Eve's creation... regardless of the original texts those bible
translations were based on. You also know the rib thing is a
nonsense... which is what this discussion was [originally]
about. There's probably only one person here who thinks the rib
story is 100% true and he is your mate... the rest of us know
it's just an allegory, or whatever. (I prefer the term
fictitious mumbo jumbo myself.)

It was never about ribs. It was about sides and I've shown you that the original source of the story was known to Plato, Aristophanes, and Socrates.

 You are the only one going on about Aristophanes and I would
suggest if you wish to discuss clever stuff like that you find a
newsgroup with like-minded souls ... I can't speak for the
others here but you might as well be talking Greek as far as I
am concerned!!!

How about you show some intelligence and read the study materials I directed you to instead of rejoicing in remaining stupid.

 Incidentally, Mrs Blueshirt wants to go to Cyprus for our summer
holiday (Limassol or Paphos)... mid-late September... so make
yourself useful in the next week or two and tell us what are the
places we really need to see.

Aphrodite's Rock, Aphrodite's Grotto, Paphos Castle (not sure if that is the official name), The Tombs of the Kings. Limassol is mainly a beach and club resort, oh, and it has a huge cassino, City of Dreams, biggest in the whole of Europe.
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