Re: Genesis of the Humans

On 01/07/2025 12:15, solar idiot wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:
 

On 30/06/2025 20:23, Blueshirt wrote:
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YOU might be on about ancient kings that their citizens thought
were gods based on the manuscripts you've read from centuries
past, but that is not the thoughts of a lot of the general
public who follow an organised religion... or the sort of thing
that was being discussed here.
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What is being discussed here is Genesis and I am explaining where
the stories originally came from.
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It was never about ribs. It was about sides and I've shown you that the
original source of the story was known to Plato, Aristophanes, and
Socrates.
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 That’s a bit misleading. Like I said in my other post, it’s probably
more like the Bible and your Greek guys were drawing on
similar sources and traditions but putting their own unique twists
on the story.
 You can’t simply say there’s a direct one-to-one match between
the Greek story and the Biblical one. The differences are as
important as the similarities.
 

Have you actually bothered to read Plato's Symposium? You obviously have not. The stories originate from the exact same source which predates Socrates' birth. Even Socrates accuses Aristophanes of plagiarising the story.
Men and women were connected like mirror images to each other back to back as were men and men and women and women, and then they were separated from their other sides by being cut in half along the axis of symmetry.
The part attempting to explain homosexuality is the only place were the Bible story and the story told by Aristophanes differ.
There was never the need for any ribs. The word used in the bible is SIDE. The Bible also refers to the Gods or Elohim creating the heavens and the earth etc. in Genesis not God. The Elohim were plural so Adam if he was made in the image of the Gods was male on one side and female on the other and then the Elohim separated the side of Adam from the side Eve.
There's also the story of the Biblical Flood of Noah which is an exact rip-off of the Ogygian Delgue, the Deucalion Flood, the Flood of Manu Vaivasvata in Hindu tradition, and Flood of Gilgamesh. The common story existed long before the Bible was written.
And then of course there's the story of Moses which once again was ripped off from the exact same source as the events surrounding the Trojan War as described by Herodotus because it's based on an account of the collapse of the 19th Dynasty after the death of Ramses II when Egypt was invaded by the Sea Peoples and people from the north including Israel, the Achaeans, and Trojans who were then all kicked out by Merneptah (Amenophis/Tithonus), Setnakte (Ktes/Proteus/On/The God of Moses/I Am Who I Am), and Ramses III (Theoclymenos) the son of Setnakte.
Manetho records the exact same events in his Egyptian History as Herodotus does in his because they're using the exact same Egyptian inscriptions. The Bible uses the same sources but embellishes them.
Sea-Peoples and People from the north including Achaeans, Trojans, and Israelites invaded Egypt in the reign of Merneptah and Amenmesse made himself tyrant by the end of Merneptah's reign and the start of Seti II's who probably reigned together after Merneptah fell ill (where Merneptah is Melol in the Book of Jasher). Setnakhte (Ktes/Proteus) who is turned into On the God of Moses in Setnakhte also ruled Egypt at exactly the same time and was a rival to Merneptah and Seti II. Both The Merneptah Stele and The Harris Papyrus give Merneptah and Setnakhte credit for expelling these invaders respectively.
Herodotus' version of these events has Paris Alexander invade Egypt and plunder it while Proteus is ruling and then Menelaus arrives looking for Helen just after Proteus has kicked Paris out of Egypt and sent him packing back to Troy allegedly with Helen by his side.
Manetho's version has Moses (Amenmesse) invading Egypt and plundering it at exactly the same time, displacing Merneptah and Seti II (Amenophis and his son Seti Rammases) to Aethiopia, and the king of Aethiopia (Setnakhte) helping them to drive out Moses and the Israelites.
The Bible version portrays Moses (Amenmesse) as a murderer and child killer who with the help of On (Ktes/Proteus/Setnakhte/I Am That I Am) tyrannises Egypt with successive plagues including the murder of the Egyptian first born, forcing Merneptah, the successor to the Pharaoh who adopted Moses as a child (Ramses II), to set Israel free from captivity. Within about about a year of this On (the God of Moses) forces Moses to number all the children of Israel above the age of 10 and On (Setnakhte) slaughters them all for disobedience.
The Book of Jasher follows the Biblical account but adds extra information by combining other Egyptian inscriptions with the original story identifying Moses as Messuy the Governor of Kush. It also seems to have Meneptah Siptah (Adikam Ahuz) described as a child of about the age of 10 and as an ugly dwarf ruling Egypt after Merneptah (Melol). (Siptah had a clubbed foot, was represented in statuary as a dwarf, and dies at about the age of 16 according to Egyptologists.)
Diodorus names Tithonus (Merneptah) as deposing the tyrant Ammosis from ruling Egypt and then has Memnon (probably Seti II or maybe Siptah) succeeding Tithonus followed by Proteus.
Herodotus continues his history after the capture of Troy by having Menelaus return to Egypt to take revenge of Proteus because he didn't tell him that Helen was with him in Egypt all the time. Proteus doesn't like the way Menelaus is behaving and kicks him out of Egypt after returning Helen.
Euripides says much the same thing as Herodotus and has Teucer (representing the Trojans based in Cyprus in the Inscription of Ramses III) arriving in Egypt looking for holy advice on where to found Salamis. At this time Proteus has just passed away so Theoclymenos (Ramses III) is the interlocutor.
The Bible at the exact same time has God (Either still Proteus/On or Ramses III) help Joshua capture Jericho by destroying its walls to the sound of his trumpets. This once again reflects the expulsion of the Sea-Peoples and Ramses III's conquest of Canaan in the Inscription of Ramses III.
Since the Book of Jasher was composed in Roman times and gives an alternate Roman history to that of Virgil who represents the standard account, we can assume that the Jews knew full well that the Bible was manufactured based on the misrepresentation of actual history and was still been added to from the original historical accounts used to create it until Julius Caesar burned down the Library of Alexandria which caused all the alternative histories to be lost.
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