Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetry

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 20:27:34 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:22:57 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:11:37 +0000, Will-Dockery wrote:
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Victor H. wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
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On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
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What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination,

Pendragon.

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Says the
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No, says several legitimate sources, which day that "Please

Master" was written by Allen Ginsberg for Neal Cassady, a grown man.

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HTH and HAND.

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Did Pendragon ever admit he was wrong....?

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You know Pendragon never admits when he's wrong.

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It doesn't matter if the poem was written for Neal Cassady (a man
roughly 1/3 Ginsberg's age),

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You're wrong about Cassady's age.
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See below.
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as nothing in the actual poems specifies

this.
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IIRC, the poem was a sexually explicit depiction of a homosexual Dom-Sub
BDSM session, presented in a strikingly crude manner, and is not
something I have any desire to reread.  I am not being prudish or
anything; I just don't find the topic interesting.
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The "please, Master" exchanges between the Dom and Sub in the poem's
monologue, are (IMHO intentionally) reminiscent of an apprentice (a boy
aged 10-16) and a much older master craftsman in a given art or trade.
This recasts the narrative, at least on one level, as a depiction of
Man-Boy sex.
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I haven't looked in a while but Neal Cassady was almost the same age as
Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac.
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You should fact check a little better, Harry.

I've no interest in Beat poets, and even less in who they fucked.
The implications of adult-child/master-apprentice sex in the poem remain
the same regardless of who inspired it.
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