Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery

On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 21:00:42 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:39:26 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:29:40 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

HarryLime wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

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Here's the original unedited version so the readers can decide for
themselves:
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I Met A Girl
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I met a girl
she came from California.
It was in a dream
we knew each other instantly.
She was a little freckled girl
from out of
my high school past.
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And she looked up at me
and talked real spacey.
I've forgotten her name
though she told it to me twice.
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We talked
a really detached situation.
She said years ago
I was so shy
she thought I was gay.
At this point I kissed her
and put my finger to her hole.
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And she looked up at me
and talked real spacey.
I have forgotten her name
though she told it to me twice.
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I don't know why it was
that I would think of her.
I made a couple of puns
about her name that made me blush.
But her softness in tone
made me feel all right.
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All I want to do
is get in contact.
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-Will Dockery / May 8 1982

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This poem was written in 1982, during my time in the Atlanta Georgia New
Wave punk rock scene, while also influenced by the earlier Beatnik poets
I was reading at the time, such as Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and
Charles Bukowski among others.
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Both styles employed a sort of crude swagger in the tone and content
which I also used in many of my poems.
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All apologies to those offended.

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I suppose that's a start.
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Of course, an apologize is supposed to include owning up to one's
mistake -- not attempting to justify it as beatnik inspired swagger.
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You need to recognize that groping a woman you've just met is wrong.
Regardless of whether she's a punk rocker, or that you were acting under
the influence of beatnik poets.  Groping is wrong

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I didn't grope her.
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You're misrepresenting the scene again, Pendragon. We were just having
some fun, kissing and "making out" a little, as the young folks used to
call it.
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Nothing as serious as you want to make it out to be.
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HTH and HAND.

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Your poem makes it out to be

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No, that's just your misrepresentation of my poem, Pendragon.

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Mainly, you continue to lie and misrepresent, Harry.
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Answer my question

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I did, and continue to.
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See below:
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Okay, see below for my answer.
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If you ran into some guy you'd barely known in high school

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I know a lot of people from all walks of life, so such a meeting would
be welcome.
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If of course give him a autographed copy of my poetry book.
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Since that would be a completely different situation from the one in my
poem there would have been a completely different outcome.

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What's so different about it

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You don't know the difference between straight and gay sex?
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-- apart from the fact that you're the one

getting groped?

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I didn't grope anyone.
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The events in my poem were consensual.
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Look that word up, Harry.

"Consensual" is a label that you have applied to your poem in order to
justify the narrative to yourself.
Again, I'm asking you to consider how you would feel if you had been the
one getting groped.
That you gender identify as heterosexual is 100% beside the point.
When you have just met someone (regardless of whether you recognized
their face from high school five years earlier), you have no means of
determining what level of sexual contact (if any) they're open to at
that particular time and place.
Men often misread social cues from a woman, mistaking friendliness for
flirting, and so on.  Just because you were feeling attracted to her,
that doesn't mean that she was also feeling attracted to you.  Since she
didn't press charges against you, I'll assume that she was (or that she
was too embarrassed by the incident to talk about it).
Over the years, you've painted a picture of yourself as an old horndog
who'll jump in the sack with any woman who's willing (your admission to
frequently employing the services of $10 whores shows just how
unselective you are in this regard.
I therefore think it a safe bet to say that if a girl you barely knew
came up to you, planted a kiss on you and stuck her finger up your butt,
you'd be totally into it.
Most women tend to be a little more selective in choosing their sexual
partners, and would consider having their crotch fingered, in public, by
a man they'd just met to be an act of sexual assault.
Remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine was disgusted that the man
she had been on a first date with "took *it* out"?  This man didn't even
touch her body -- he simply exposed his male member to her.  And Elaine
was far from being a prude.
In order to hypothetically reverse the situation, we need to consider
how you would have felt if someone with the potential to physically
overpower you (a man), had done the same thing to you.
I know that you gender identify as heterosexual, and that you view
homosexual slurs as an assault on your manhood, but that's the point.  I
want to know how you would feel if you were in a situation where the
sexual contact (butt-fingering) was definitely *unwanted* by you.
If, as you keep saying, this was the wild and crazy 80s, and you were
with a group of wild and crazy punk rockers -- many of whom were openly
engaging in sexual intercourse -- and that you're fingering he freckled
girl was just a bit of (relatively) innocent fun... then this man's
fingering you, should be seen flirtatious fun as well.
Had that been the case, you would have said, "Sorry, man, I don't swing
that way," and moved on.
If, otoh, you would feel *violated* by his invasive finger, then you
would begin to understand how a woman might feel when she's on the
receiving end of such aggressive, physical "flirtation" from a man.
Your insistence that the question wouldn't apply because you gender
identify as heterosexual, reveals your answer.  Would not want any man
touching you there.
And, had a man simply stuck his hand down you pants after exchanging a
few words of nondescript conversation, you would feel like your body had
been violated.
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