On Sat, 25 Jan 2025 7:13:22 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 17:30:33 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 1:56:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 18:58:18 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 2:20:10 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2025 15:29:37 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:07:47 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 18:47:06 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
"HarryLime" wrote:
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Do I have "enemies" here? That's a strong word.
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Every member of your "Team Donkey" enemies list - Will, Zod, Jordy,
Rachel, and myself - is posting here.
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They aren't the only people you've marked as "enemies" of course - but
you drove all the others away before you made up "Team Donkey".
Just as you and your Donkey claimed I'd driven away Richard, Bob, and
Karen?
Wake up and smell the coffee, George. Your Donkey is the one who's
driven everyone away. He's even admitted it: "There's nobody here but
me, Chuck. I've driven every last one of them away..!"
1) I don't view any of you as enemies, George. We merely hold different
views as to how AAPC should operate. I felt that a *poetry* group
should limit the bulk of its discussions to *poetry.*
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Unfortunately, your posts bely you, MMP. The bulk of what you post here,
even of your "poetry" and your "poetry discussions" is either (1)
scurrilous
gossip about the members
of "Team Donkey" or (2) flame wars with the members of "Team Donkey".
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FACT: My posts to AAPC FB, do nothing of the sort.
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Who cares what you post to your facebook group? We are discussing your
posts here, in aapc. There are multiple examples in this thread alone.
Even in that "critique" of my poetry that you keep reposting, you manage
to call Will an illiterate, Zod homeless, and Jordy a pedophile. that's
what you post here, that's what your NastyGoon used to post, and that's
what your Chimp ended up posting here.
Again, I should like to point out that nothing of that sort occurs in
our FB group.
You may not care about what happens, or doesn't happen, there; but you
should take a good, long look at each of these groups and as yourself
*why*.
Why would Michael, NancyGene, and Jim participate in flame wars here,
but not in their FB group?
It seems that the problem isn't inherent in Michael, NancyGene, or Jim.
If the majority of my posts here are combative, we need to determine why
I should behave one way in the FB group, and the opposite way in the
Usenet one.
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That's easy enough to answer. In your faceook group:
(1) the core membership is your Team Monkey allies;
Untrue. Our "core membership" (by which I take it to mean our most
active participants) includes Louise Charlton Webster and Joseph
Danoski, neither of whom have ever posted here.
(2) anyone new who joins the group believes that, and looks up to you
as, the learned poet you've tried to pass yourself off as, and as
newbies they aren't likely to challenge you
Where are you getting this from? It would be fun to be some
pontificating poetic guru, but such couldn't be farther from the truth. Since you're unable to access our group, you appear to have created some
Bizarro World distortion of it that's apparently based on your equally
distorted perception of *this* group.
(3) if despite (2) anyone does happen to challenge you, on anything, you
don't even have to discuss it; you can simply kick them off the group.
I could, but I certainly would never do any such thing.
The obvious conclusion is that the members of the FB group limit their
discussions to poetry, whereas certain members of the Usenet group
insist on burying any poetry-related conversations under their own
self-serving spam.
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Sort of the reverse of Sherlock Holmes: "when you eliminate all which is
both possible and likely, then whatever remains must be the truth."
Since I participate in the FB AAPC on a daily basis, whereas you have
been barred access to it, I should think that I were the only one of us
qualified to proffer an opinion as to what takes place there.
It is unnecessary to rule out the possible, the impossible, the
probable, or the improbable. I'm there. I am fully aware of what is,
and isn't, discussed there.
You, otoh, are not.
You felt that it
would be better used as a forum wherein members could exchange greetings
with "Jordy" twenty times a day, every day.
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Don't be such a peabrain, MMP. Jordy and I post to each other twice a
month,
at best. Otherwise our paths never cross; he doesn't start flame wars,
or
try to disrupt other threads. So whatever he does doesn't bother me; if
he
bothers you so much that you're still obsessing about him, bo back to
your
facebook group and gossip about him with someone who cares.
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Anyone still following Usenet AAPC is well aware that Jordy makes far
more than two posts a months -- they simply aren't directed to your
attention.
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And WTF does that have to do with my "feelings" about the group? If I
felt that the group was the place to post greetings 20 times a day, I'd
be posting greetings 20 times a day. Stop trying to tell me what I think
or feel, when it's obvious bullshit (or, FTM, on the rare occasion that
it isn't).
But I do know exactly what your feelings were, George. Are you
forgetting that I was there?
I expressed my desire that the Usenet group be a place to discuss poetry
(as its name, "alt.arts.poetry.comments" implies). I also explained how
dozens of "Hello" posts to "Jordy" everyday served no purpose other than
to drive anyone interested in poetry away from the group.
You stated that such posts didn't bother you, as you run a search for
posts where your name (or one of other people's names for you) came up. IOW: You only participate in discussions that concern you, your blog, or
your "Dancehall," and don't couldn't be bother with anything else that
took place here.
As to whether I'm "obsessing" over him, I no longer care what he does.
My greeting to him should show you that I'm perfectly fine with his
continued disruption of your group. It only annoyed me while I was
still a member.
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Whether you're "obsessing' over him can be shown by how many times you
keep entioning him, even though he's stayed out of this discussion
completely.
You asked HTF I know your feelings regarding Usenet AAPC. I brought up
the "Hello Jordy" posts as an example of how I know.
His posts were a major issue in the demise of Usenet AAPC.
I complained about them. Others complained about them.
You, OTOH, ignored his posts, and supported his "right" to make
Off-Topic posts 24/7.
You made your feelings very clear.
Since Google abandoned the
platform, you won out by default.
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Yet here you are, caught sneaking back onto aapc under a new sock, and
turning to your old tricks: gossip and flame wars. As I've told Jim
before,
your people are as bad as bedbugs; it's almost impossible to get rid of
you.
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What do you want, George? I have conceded Usenet AAPC to you.
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Unlike you, I have never wanted to run aapc. I have two blogs, and one
active wiki, where I can do what I want (despite your Team's best
efforts to close them down). I used to see value to aapc, but your Team
and PJR's Team have hollowed it out, so it's no more than Will, Jordy,
and (occasionally) Rachel. Since I like all three, I'm still here; but
it's in no way, shape, or form my group.
No one wanted to run AAPC, George.
Your Donkey just wanted to make it all about him. His grandstanding
(posting upwards of 50 "ME! ME! ME!") posts a day has been driving
members away for the past 25 years.
I only wanted to start bringing poets back to the group, and getting our
discussions back on topic.
All of the recent Usenet AAPC members have relocated to FB because we're
able to keep your Donkey out.
Nor do I actively run the FB group. NancyGene and I share
administrative status and can each approve members. Apart from
approving members, the only things I do is put the magazine together
each month, post a few new poems or video links, and offer an occasional
comment on someone else's poem. I probably make less than 10 posts a
week.
There are no power plays going on over there. No one is trying to
dominate the group. No one is flooding it with posts. No one is
calling any of the other members pigs, monkeys, chimps, or Nazis.
We're not the ones who killed Usenet AAPC.
If it's a hollowed out shell now, it's because you and your Donkey
continually told us to ignore his b.s. posts or go elsewhere.
We chose to go elsewhere. You got your wish.
I only drop by to monitor your posts, because I am well aware of your
attempts to rewrite Usenet AAPC's history to your liking.
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I am the self-appinted group historian, you know; that's one role I
don't mind assuming.
I strongly suggest that you self-revoke your "appointment."
Your revisionist history isn't supported by the archives.
When I came to AAPC, you told me that PJR as the leader of alt.kooks,
and that he and his "cronies" came here to troll and bully people so
that they could goad them into saying something they could use for
purposes of extortion.
Apart from PJR's having been the leader of alt.kooks, none of the above
turned out to be true.
PJR was a poet who'd been a member almost from the group's beginning. He posted and discussed poetry with the other poets, and largely ignored
you and your Donkey. When your Donkey drove nearly all of the other
poets away, PJR took to dropping by periodically -- discussing poetry
with Horatio and Gwyneth, and laughing at you and your Donkey (with the
help of his friends from alt.kooks).
For several years, you had me believing you.
I suppose that as self-appointed historian, you can convince others of
similar nonsense... for a while.
Truth, as they say, will out.
I eventually dug into the archives and discovered the truth.
Others will do likewise, and refute your "history" as well.
Like I said; you can't lie on Usenet. The archives will always be there
to bring your deceitfulness to light.
BTW: Hello Jordy!
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2) I believe that I have always been on good terms with Rachel.
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It may be true that you believe that, MMP; but it is not true that you
were. The archives have plenty of gossip you, Jim and NG have
written about her, and flame wars that you've tried to start with her.
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I have praised Rachel's poetry when I felt it was good; and I have
negatively commented on her poetry when it degenerated into a long,
nonsensical rant on, and to, Bob.
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Nevertheless I have remained on good terms with her, and still
occasionally exchange personal emails with her.
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Rachel has probably not seen, or forgotten, your threads about her
claiming that Bob Dylan raped her, and about Bob Dylan suing her for
those claims; but, as the self-appointed group historian, I am not going
to let posterity forget them.
Rachel's the one who claimed that BD raped her. I don't recall anyone
ever saying that he was suing her over her claims.
For Rachel's sake, I believe it is best that they should be forgotten.
3) By definition, an enemy is one who poses at least a potential threat
to one in some manner. A mentally deficient hillbilly, a drunken
pissbum, and middle aged man with the mind of a child are hardly to be
perceived of as threats.
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MMP, as previously noted, you reject reality and live in a delusional
world of your own. It's central to your delusion that you're a genius
with encyclopedic knowledge of poetry. Anyone who doesn't buy into
that is attacking your delusion, so of course you'd see them as a
threat.
That's how you came up with your "Team Donkey" bullshit in the first
place.
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Uh... PJR introduced the idea of "Teams," George.
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True; but at least he had the decency to label his enemies "Team Dunce."
You, OTOH, thought that if you simply started attacking me off aapc, I'd
simply slink off (like what happened to Vinyl Cat after you went after
her business). You miscalculated.
I have no idea what you're talking about, George.
I have never attacked you in any other forum, nor did I make any
off-AAPC posts regarding Vinyl Cat.
The closest thing I can think of is when *you* posted a supposed "bio"
about me on your wiki wherein you (or your Donkey) posted out of context
statements I'd made that had been cherry picked to make me appear like
some sort of Neo-Nazi. I complained to the site manager and had them
taken down.
-- 
The Return of Michael Monkey
Re: The Return of Swamp Ass Georgie Dance
