Re: The Return of Michael Monkey

On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 14:44:20 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 18:45:15 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 2:06:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 20:10:44 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) aka
"HarryLime " wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jan 2025 2:59:51 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
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Hey, Will, do you remember when yuu formed the aapc facebook group? I'm
going to take a look myself, but I know if it's listed there.

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What's your point?

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Sorry, MMP, but that isn's your concern.
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We've still got rights on the "Official" name.  Will called his group
the "Facebook Edition."

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Actually, it's called "alt.arts.poetry.comments: Official Facebook
Edition." But don't worry about that; no one is going to sue you for the
"rights" to the name. You can call your facebook group whatever you
wanted.
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And, let's face it; Will's FB group is as devoid of active members as
Usenet AAPC.

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As Will said, alt.arts.poetry.comments: Official Facebook Edition was
started at least 13 years ago. It's not unommnn for facebook groups to
become less active over time.

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So it's merely a coincidence that both Usenet AACP and your FB Edition
of AAPC have seen their membership decline --

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No, Lying Michael. I said that it happens to all groups, no matter where
they are; people develop other interests and go on to do other things.
On aapc, of course, there's the further complications that it's an open
group, that keeps getting infested by trolls, and that it lost its main
web portal, so the decline in active participants was more dramatic; but
just because facebook doesn't have either problem, doesn't mean that
everyone who posts on a group there is going to keep posting on that
group forever.

Nothing lasts forever, George.
It is, however, telling that the Official AAPC FB Group has many of the
former Usenet AAPC members among its active participants.
People didn't leave Usenet AAPC because they developed further
interests, etc.
AAPC *transferred* itself from Usenet to FB.

whereas the Official AAPC
FB Group has seen its membership steadily rise?

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MMP: I have no reason to think that the number of active participants on
your facebook group is rising or falling or staying the same; I have no
way of seeing for myself, and I'm certainly not going to take your word
for it, just as I don't take your word for anything.

You do have a means of seeing for yourself, George.  Since we include
all of our members in our year-end print issue, you can *see* who are
actively posting members are by looking at our various issues on Amazon.

I don't think so.

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I wouldn't either it's an obvious "straw man" - which is why you tried
to pretend it's what I thought.

It was a rhetorical question, paranoid George.  I wasn't actually saying
it was what you thought.

Usenet AAPC and its FB Edition are both dominated by Will Donkey;
whereas the Official AACP FB Group has a "No Donkeys allowed policy."

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Sure; Will Dockery has a "No Team Monkey" policy. That's the nature of
facebook; the groups on it are closed, moderated groups (unlike the alt.
groups here).
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IMHO, the presence/absence of Will Donkey is the determining factor.

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That's silly. Test your opinion by comparing aapc to any other alt group
that Will Dockery doesn't post on: you'll see the same slow decline over
the years, and the same rapid decline after the loss of google support.
It's fun to think your main adversary caused it all, but (as I said)
silly).

You're mistaken, again, George.
Usenet AAPC's membership has gone up and down over the years.  It was at
a new high when "The Sunday Sampler" was a regular feature.
Its membership dropped, a little, when Will Donkey and his socks closed
"The Sunday Sampler" down with their incessant whinings, accusations,
and interruptions.
It dropped down to its present low when Google Groups shut down.
At that point, the remaining members could have switched to a free
Newsreader like Novabbs, or joined Will Donkey's FB Edition.
They chose, instead, to join the Official AAPC FB Group because it
offered a Donkey-free environment.

The bulk of Usenet AAPC's members now use the Official AAPC page that I
started.

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I know of three former aapc members ho use your facebook group: you,
Jim, and NG (Team Monkey), Since I can't see who's on our facebook
group, I have no idea how many other former aapc members are there.

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You can look at the back cover of our AYoS 2023 ed., on Amazon, and/or
you can wait for the 2024 ed. to print, and view its back cover there as
well.

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Fair enough, if you wish to argue the point - you claim that everyone
who posts on your fb group is included in your chapbook, whether they
want to be or not, so that's a good way of

You've broken off in mid-sentence, George.
As to your claim that they are included "whether they want to be or
not," it's a bald faced lie.
Our Group's FB page clearly states that it is an interactive Poetry
Journal wherein one submits poetry by posting it to our page.
No one from the Official AAPC Group has ever complained that their
poetry was published -- either in our monthly, online journal, or in our
annual year-end print anthology.

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but that would take me a day or two, to make the lists of members for
each year, and in the meantime you'd have written dozens of trollposts,
disrupting dozens of threads here, which I wouldn't be able to deal with
- and when I come back with my results, you and Will would have both
moved on to something else. If you give me your word that you'll stop
flaming until I've completed my research, then I could go take the time
and effort; I'll trust you on that point, as I'm sure you think the
results will support you.

I can't promise to stop something that I haven't been doing.
Nor do I see why it should take you several days to cross check the
contributing authors listed on our previous issue's back covers.  We've
only had four issues, and most of the same members appear in multiple
issues.
I'll do you a favor and list them for you:
Issue One: Robert Burrows, Karen Tellefsen, Michael Pendragon, George J.
Dance, ME, Mabool, Dental River, Kevin Fries, NancyGene, J.D. Senetto
Issue Two: Louise Charlton Webster, Robert Burrows, Michael Pendragon,
May Lene Reodique, George J. Dance, ME, Mabool, Ash Wurthing, Ecthrois
Grimm, NancyGene, Richard Oakley, Karen Tellefsen, J.D. Senetto
Issue Three: Louise Charlton Webster, Robert Burrows, Michael Pendragon,
Mabool, Ash Wurthing, NancyGene, Hieronymous Corey, Karen Tellefsen,
Carlos Deleon, Alonzo-zO-Gross, J.D. Senetto
Issue Four: Louise Charlton Webster, Robert Burrows, Michael Pendragon,
Joseph Danoski, Rishard Oakley, Last Dance, Ecthrois Grimm, Mabool, Ash
Wurthing, NancyGene, Carlos Deleon, Don Lee, J.D. Senetto
And, in our forthcoming issue:
Issue Five: Louise Charlton Webster, Robert Burrows, Michael Pendragon,
Richard Oakley, Scott Thomas, Trinity-memyandi L. Venter, J.D. Senetto,
Last Dance, Ecthrois Grimm, Devin Anderson, Kevin Fries, Karen
Tellefsen, Carlos Deleon, Jefferson Carter, Paul R. Cordeiro, NancyGene,
Wenceslas Kabeba, Hieronynous Corey, Robert Cabeen, Bruce Boston, Joseph
Danoski, Stephen Brooke, Ruth Housman, Ash Wurthing
As you can see, Issue Five shows a large jump in membership -- including
several poets whose names you might be familiar with.
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