Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA

On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:42:45 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 17:29:10 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 16:31:49 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:

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To me the problem with Stephan Pickering posting here on the poetry
newsgroup was the determination of Jim Senetto and Michael Pendragon to
drive him away at any cost, and they both tried to strongarm me into
joining them with this hostile agenda.

Even the Jewish Dr. David Scheimmer saw the antisemitic and homophobic
behavior you and Jim Senetto displayed during that time.
Scheimmer also noted the antisemitic mood in Long Island when he
attended college there as a youth.
It seems Jim Senetto was probably raided with these local prejudices
again Jewish people back around the same time Dr. Scheimmer was living
in the area, early 1960s.

When I refused to participate, both Michael Pendragon and Jim Senetto
then turned on me with malicious attacks, even threats of violence, that
lasted for many years.

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And so it goes.
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You lie and misrepresent, Pendragon.
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As always.
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Jim Senetto turned on yu

Because I wouldn't join Jim Senetto and you in your agenda to drive the
late Stephan Pickering from this poetry newsgroup.

That's a lie and misrepresentation you created then and continue to lie
about.

Proven in the newsgroup archives.

Jim Senetto sent $50 to Zod, not me.

The money was Zod's to spend as he pleased.

I did, however, refund the $50 to Senetto twice, meaning Senetto got
$100 back for his $50.

Exactly as it happened ^^^

"Jim Senetto sent $50 to Zod, not me."

Meaning the $50 was exclusively for Zod, and we delivered the $50 to Zod
immediately.

Jim sent the money to you.

That's correct, and my brother David and I took the money to Zod over in
Alabama.

Zod, being homeless,

Zod wasn't actually homeless yet but headed that way.
 had no mailbox for him to send it to.
Actually Zod was still living in the trailer, he has not been evicted
yet.
Absolutely the money should have just been sent directly to Zod.

"I did, however, refund the $50 to Senetto twice, meaning
Senetto got $100 back for his $50."

An archived fact ^^^

You never refunded the money to Jim

I refunded the $100 as Jim Senetto instructed.
 Jim never saw his $50 again.
I tried a dozen times to refund his $50.
I even wound up paying over $100 for all that, out of my pocket.

What you did was a) write out a $50 check to your daughter,

As Jim Senetto instructed.
and b) send

$50 to an animal shelter

As Jim Senetto instructed.

To correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight
one more time.

Or fifty more, if necessary.

How you can even claim that his dislike of you had anything to do with
Pickering

That's exactly how it happened.

That's exactly how it started.
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You and Senetto tried to force me to join y'all in attempting to drive
Stephan Pickering from the poetry newsgroup.

Exactly as it happened ^^^

When I refused to join you, y'all tried to kick me out of the newsgroup
as well.

Exactly as it happened ^^^

1) We never asked you to attack the Pickle

Yes you did, that's an archived fact.

The only thing I asked you to do was to stop responding

No, the archives show you and Jim Senetto expected me to join you two in
driving the late Stephan Pickering from this newsgroup, while I declined
involvement in, preferring to be neutral.

2) Jim was mad at you over the $50.

Which was refunded DOUBLE, I paid $100 for that $50.

One day George

You know you're supposed to call him General Zod.
 introduced himself to the group.  You said that

he was a long-time friend of yours in real life.
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George then proceeded to ingratiate himself with all of the AAPC members
by placing one of his dozen or so stock comments at the end of each of
our poems ("Great Poem," "Nice poem," "Interesting," "One of your best,"
etc.).

Zod loves poetry as most of us know.
😏

After a week or so had passed, you started a thread wherein you told us
all that George was about to be thrown out into the street.  You told us
that he was recovering from a car accident and unable to work, and that
he was waiting for a disability check from the VA (which he was
expecting hourly). In the meantime, he needed to get up the funds
necessary to keep his landlord from throwing him out.  You didn't
directly ask for any money

Exactly, and never wanted or expected any money.

Jim sent you $50 (cash) with instructions that you give it to George to
help tide over his landlord until the disability check arrived.

None of this was actually specified.

Jim sent the money and posted a message to you that it was in the mail.
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you hadn't given George any of your own money was because he
would only have spent it on booze, drugs, and whores.

No, you're my making that up, I never wrote that, Pendragon.

A few days later, you emailed Jim that the money had been received and
put to good use: treating you and your brother to steak dinners.  Since
steak dinners are more nourishing than booze and drugs, you were quite
proud of having convinced George to buy you and brother dinner instead.

That's exactly right.
😏

instead of apologizing and offering
to return the money

No, I offered to reimburse Senetto almost immediately.
As the newsgroup archives show

 George then chimed in that he had never asked for
Jim's money, and that he do with it as he pleased.

That never happened, Pendragon.
You're either suffering memory loss again or you're lying again.
Perhaps both.

Jim is too nice a person to have demanded the money back,

Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Pendragon?
 but he

insisted that you had misused the money he sent, and wanted you to send
$50 of your own money to a good cause.  So you wrote your daughter a
check

That's correct.
That was the first $50 I reimbursed Jim Senetto on.

Eventually, you sent the money to an Animal Shelter

That was the second time I paid for a refund.
In the end I spent over $100 on Jim Senetto's stupid whining.

When you started calling Jim controlling

I called it as I saw it, no apology.
(and various other things) for

having wanted you to use the money to

I gave Zod the $$$ and he spent it as he pleased.
Which was completely his right.
 actually *help* your

soon-to-be-homeless friend

The money was well spent as Zod chose to spend it.

*THAT* is why Jim

I didn't have to but I did refund the money to Jim Senetto TWICE a few
years ago.
That was over $100 I spent on Jim Senetto's bullshit whining.

Lie and deny all you want, that's what happened, Pendragon.

As the archives prove ^^^

As for me, there's a world of difference between refusing to participate

As I did.

in a flame war, and supporting Pick's claim that I was a paedophile.

You've claimed I di that but I never actually did.
This is just more of your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon.

My turning on you after that

No, you had already tuned on me bc because I wouldn't join you and Jim
Senetto in your antisemitic and homophobic attacks on the late Stephan
Pickering.

When you scam your friends out of money,

So you're still lying about that, ten years later.
Why am I not surprised?

and attempt to label them as

paedophiles

Actually YOU were the only doing that, including lying about Allen
Ginsberg in that way as well.
HTH and HAND.