On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 8:38:29 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:42:45 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 17:29:10 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 16:31:49 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
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To me the problem with Stephan Pickering posting here on the poetry
newsgroup was the determination of Jim Senetto and Michael Pendragon to
drive him away at any cost, and they both tried to strongarm me into
joining them with this hostile agenda.
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Even the Jewish Dr. David Scheimmer saw the antisemitic and homophobic
behavior you and Jim Senetto displayed during that time.
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Scheimmer also noted the antisemitic mood in Long Island when he
attended college there as a youth.
His name is "Schwimmer," Donkey. At least that's how you presented it
at the time.
And if Dr. Schwimmer saw Jim's and my posts as being antisemitic, he
never said anything about it here.
It seems Jim Senetto was probably raided with these local prejudices
again Jewish people back around the same time Dr. Scheimmer was living
in the area, early 1960s.
Since there was nothing antisemitic in anything Jim or I posted (again,
I remind you that I am a Jewish man with a Jewish family); any claims of
Long Island based antisemitism he might have experienced are suspect at
best.
You'll recall (or else the archives will remind you) that Dr. Schwimmer
was contacted to confirm that his "Shtar" appeared to be legitimate.
NOTE: A Shtar is a general word for a legal document of any sort.
Pickles was trying to prove that his self-administered conversion to
Judaism was legitimate by presenting a letter from a Rabbi of some
ersatz offshoot of Judaism that claimed his self-conversion was
acceptable.
The entire incident was a joke.
There is no such thing as self-conversion in Judaism. Conversion
requires at least a year of study Judaism under the guidance of a Rabbi,
a circumcision, and being immersed in a Mikvah bath. None of which
requirements Pickles fulfilled.
In short, there was never any question as to whether Pickles' Sthar was
invalid -- it was automatically invalidated by the fact that no Orthodox
or Conservative Jew would recognize it.
I found it highly amusing that Pickles would send this letter to you in
a hermetically sealed manila envelope (a fact which he stressed numerous
times) to present to some Jewish professor in a Columbus GA sports bar.
It's almost as good as the time you got snookered into dressing up as
Zorro with clown shoes.
If anything, the point of that incident was to make an even bigger
jackass out of Will Donkey.
And the fact that you posted photos of Dr. Schwimmer bursting out
laughing while reading Pickles' Shtar, makes your new claim that he
found it "antisemitic" seem extremely suspect.
Furthermore, one cannot be called antisemitic for attacking a fake Jew
-- which is precisely what Pickles was.
When I refused to participate, both Michael Pendragon and Jim Senetto
then turned on me with malicious attacks, even threats of violence, that
lasted for many years.
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And so it goes.
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You lie and misrepresent, Pendragon.
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As always.
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Jim Senetto turned on yu
Because I wouldn't join Jim Senetto and you in your agenda to drive the
late Stephan Pickering from this poetry newsgroup.
Are you claiming that Jim was fine with your treating your brother and
yourself to steak dinners on the $50.00 he'd sent you for Stinky George?
That's a lie and misrepresentation you created then and continue to lie
about.
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Proven in the newsgroup archives.
Point out an example.
Would you like me to post an example of Jim's anger toward you over the
$50?
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Jim Senetto sent $50 to Zod, not me.
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The money was Zod's to spend as he pleased.
The money never reached Stinky Zid. Jim sent it to you to give to Zid. When it arrived, you emailed Stinky saying something along the lines of
"I've got the money from Jim, let's go out for steaks!"
I did, however, refund the $50 to Senetto twice, meaning Senetto got
$100 back for his $50.
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Exactly as it happened.
Here is Merriam-Webster's definition of Refund:
refund
1 of 3
verb (1)
re·fund ri-ˈfənd ˈrē-ˌfənd
refunded; refunding; refunds
Synonyms of refund
transitive verb
1
: to give or put back
2
: to return (money) in restitution, repayment, or balancing of accounts
HINT: Writing a $50 check to your daughter is *not* refunding the money
to Jim.
Writing a $50 check to an Animal Shelter is *not* refunding the money to
Jim.
It doesn't matter whether Jim suggested or ok'd either or both of those
actions. They were not, *by definition,* examples of a *Refund.*
"Jim Senetto sent $50 to Zod, not me."
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Meaning the $50 was exclusively for Zod, and we delivered the $50 to Zod
immediately.
Exclusively means for *only* Stinky Zod. It doesn't mean for Stinky Zod
and his redneck buddies.
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Jim sent the money to you.
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That's correct, and my brother David and I took the money to Zod over in
Alabama.
No... you drove to Alabama to pick up Stinky Zod for steak dinners.
Zod, being homeless,
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Zod wasn't actually homeless yet but headed that way.
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had no mailbox for him to send it to.
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Actually Zod was still living in the trailer, he has not been evicted
yet.
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Absolutely the money should have just been sent directly to Zod.
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"I did, however, refund the $50 to Senetto twice, meaning
Senetto got $100 back for his $50."
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An archived fact ^^^
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You never refunded the money to Jim
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I refunded the $100 as Jim Senetto instructed.
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Jim never saw his $50 again.
refund
1 of 3
verb (1)
re·fund ri-ˈfənd ˈrē-ˌfənd
refunded; refunding; refunds
Synonyms of refund
transitive verb
1
: to give or put back
2
: to return (money) in restitution, repayment, or balancing of accounts
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I tried a dozen times to refund his $50.
Ah! That's better. Although you didn't actually make any attempt to
refund it. You just *offered* to refund it.
I even wound up paying over $100 for all that, out of my pocket.
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What you did was a) write out a $50 check to your daughter,
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As Jim Senetto instructed.
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and b) send
$50 to an animal shelter
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As Jim Senetto instructed.
refund
1 of 3
verb (1)
re·fund ri-ˈfənd ˈrē-ˌfənd
refunded; refunding; refunds
Synonyms of refund
transitive verb
1
: to give or put back
2
: to return (money) in restitution, repayment, or balancing of accounts
To correct your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight
one more time.
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Or fifty more, if necessary.
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How you can even claim that his dislike of you had anything to do with
Pickering
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That's exactly how it happened.
Are you claiming that he never complained about your having treated
yourself to dinner on his dime?
That's exactly how it started.
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You and Senetto tried to force me to join y'all in attempting to drive
Stephan Pickering from the poetry newsgroup.
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Exactly as it happened ^^^
I repeatedly told you that I did not expect you to take a side against
someone you had been friends with for 20 years. I only told you to stop
supporting his attacks against me.
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When I refused to join you, y'all tried to kick me out of the newsgroup
as well.
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Exactly as it happened ^^^
Donkeyshit.
The collective desire to ban you from the Newgroup arose from your
flooding the group with slurp- and necro-posts in order to bury The
Sunday Sampler thread each week.
The Sampler thread was far and away the most popular, and as your poems
were often overlooked in the comments it received, you countered by
burying the group in your swill.
That's all archived as well, Donkey.
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1) We never asked you to attack the Pickle
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Yes you did, that's an archived fact.
PP OR STFU.
The only thing I asked you to do was to stop responding
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No, the archives show you and Jim Senetto expected me to join you two in
driving the late Stephan Pickering from this newsgroup, while I declined
involvement in, preferring to be neutral.
PP or STFU.
2) Jim was mad at you over the $50.
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Which was refunded DOUBLE, I paid $100 for that $50.
refund
1 of 3
verb (1)
re·fund ri-ˈfənd ˈrē-ˌfənd
refunded; refunding; refunds
Synonyms of refund
transitive verb
1
: to give or put back
2
: to return (money) in restitution, repayment, or balancing of accounts
Words matter, Donkey.
One day George
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You know you're supposed to call him General Zod.
I'm not supposed to call him anything, Donkey.
introduced himself to the group. You said that
he was a long-time friend of yours in real life.
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George then proceeded to ingratiate himself with all of the AAPC members
by placing one of his dozen or so stock comments at the end of each of
our poems ("Great Poem," "Nice poem," "Interesting," "One of your best,"
etc.).
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Zod loves poetry as most of us know.
Stinky George loves (or pretends to love) your backside.
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After a week or so had passed, you started a thread wherein you told us
all that George was about to be thrown out into the street. You told us
that he was recovering from a car accident and unable to work, and that
he was waiting for a disability check from the VA (which he was
expecting hourly). In the meantime, he needed to get up the funds
necessary to keep his landlord from throwing him out. You didn't
directly ask for any money
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Exactly, and never wanted or expected any money.
Then why did you publicly fret over his situation in this group?
Jim sent you $50 (cash) with instructions that you give it to George to
help tide over his landlord until the disability check arrived.
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None of this was actually specified.
It was, Donkey. You specifically pointed out that he was expecting the
VA check any day and just needed a little something to appease his
landlord till then.
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Jim sent the money and posted a message to you that it was in the mail.
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you hadn't given George any of your own money was because he
would only have spent it on booze, drugs, and whores.
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No, you're my making that up, I never wrote that, Pendragon.
I didn't save the original quote, Donkey, but I've got two similar ones
you made shortly thereafter:
"Well, knowing Sulzbach as I do, I was pleasantly surprised he decided
to spend the money on something other than booze and drugs." -- Will
Donkey
"Well, knowing Sulzbach as I do, I was pleasantly surprised he decided
to spend the money on something other than booze and drugs. Or beer,
wine, weed or hookers..." -- Will Donkey
A few days later, you emailed Jim that the money had been received and
put to good use: treating you and your brother to steak dinners. Since
steak dinners are more nourishing than booze and drugs, you were quite
proud of having convinced George to buy you and brother dinner instead.
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That's exactly right.
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😏
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instead of apologizing and offering
to return the money
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No, I offered to reimburse Senetto almost immediately.
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As the newsgroup archives show
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George then chimed in that he had never asked for
Jim's money, and that he do with it as he pleased.
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That never happened, Pendragon.
You just said in this thread (see above) that "The money was Zod's to
spend as he pleased."
Both you and your Stinky friend have made dozens of variations on that
remark over the years.
You're either suffering memory loss again or you're lying again.
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Perhaps both.
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Jim is too nice a person to have demanded the money back,
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Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Pendragon?
You misunderstand me, Donkey. I said that "*Jim* is too nice a person
to have demanded the money back," not you.
but he
insisted that you had misused the money he sent, and wanted you to send
$50 of your own money to a good cause. So you wrote your daughter a
check
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That's correct.
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That was the first $50 I reimbursed Jim Senetto on.
That is not what "reimbursed" means, Donkey.
If you can't use a word correctly don't use it at all.
In fact, as I have repeatedly advised you in the past, you should limit
your entire vocabulary to monosyllables.
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Eventually, you sent the money to an Animal Shelter
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That was the second time I paid for a refund.
How do you pay for a refund? You either refund the money or you don't. You didn't.
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In the end I spent over $100 on Jim Senetto's stupid whining.
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When you started calling Jim controlling
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I called it as I saw it, no apology.
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(and various other things) for
having wanted you to use the money to
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I gave Zod the $$$ and he spent it as he pleased.
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Which was completely his right.
Jim sent the money for Stinky to give to his landlord. When you later
claimed that his landlord wasn't open to accepting money (Stinky G not
having paid him for several months), Jim told you to use the money to
purchase supplies for survival (tent, sleeping bag, blankets,
non-perishable food, etc.).
Jim did not send the money for Stinky G to blow on "booze and drugs. Or
beer, wine, weed or hookers..." -- or on steak dinners for you and your
brother.
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actually *help* your
soon-to-be-homeless friend
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The money was well spent as Zod chose to spend it.
And that is why Jim dislikes the both of you.
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*THAT* is why Jim
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I didn't have to but I did refund the money to Jim Senetto TWICE a few
years ago.
No, Donkey, you didn't.
Use the word correctly, or not at all
That was over $100 I spent on Jim Senetto's bullshit whining.
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Lie and deny all you want, that's what happened, Pendragon.
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As the archives prove ^^^
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As for me, there's a world of difference between refusing to participate
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As I did.
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in a flame war, and supporting Pick's claim that I was a paedophile.
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You've claimed I di that but I never actually did.
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This is just more of your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon.
You did it twice, Donkey. And regarding the same "poem."
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My turning on you after that
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No, you had already tuned on me bc because I wouldn't join you and Jim
Senetto in your antisemitic and homophobic attacks on the late Stephan
Pickering.
I turned on you when you supported Pickles' having called me
"PaedoScarlotti".
When you scam your friends out of money,
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So you're still lying about that, ten years later.
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Why am I not surprised?
There's no lie, Donkey.
You scammed Jim out of $50.
You scammed Corey out of a much larger sum (in the 1,000s).
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and attempt to label them as
paedophiles
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Actually YOU were the only doing that, including lying about Allen
Ginsberg in that way as well.
If someone supports NAMBLA, rails against the government setting a Legal
Age for sex between adults and minors, and champions the practice of
incest, I think it only fitting and proper to label him as such.
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Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Re: The Lime sock on Allen Ginsberg