Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery

On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 6:00:02 +0000, Will-Dockery wrote:
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HarryLime wrote:
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 3:47:35 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
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On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 20:17:40 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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Will Dockery wrote:
On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:56:44 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
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On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:23:14 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
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I Met A Girl
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I met a girl
she came from California.
It was in a dream
we knew each other instantly.
She was a little freckled girl
from out of
my high school past.
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And she looked up at me
and talked real spacey.
I've forgotten her name
though she told it to me twice.
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We talked
a really detached situation.
She said years ago
I was so shy
she thought I was gay.
At this point I kissed her
and put my finger to her hole.
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And she looked up at me
and talked real spacey.
I have forgotten her name
though she told it to me twice.
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I don't know why it was
that I would think of her.
I made a couple of puns
about her name that made me blush.
But her softness in tone
made me feel all right.
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All I want to do
is get in contact.
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-Will Dockery / May 8 1982
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Good to see....
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Thanks again, as I was telling Mummy Chunk, in 1982 when writing these
poems I
was highly influenced by 1950s Beat poets and 1980s punk rockers.
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So please excuse the foul language.
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Referring to a woman's v*gina as a "hole" is considered both

offensive

and misogynistic
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That's why I apologized for the foul language in the poem.
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But the *language* (the word "hole") isn't offensive
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In context it could be to some readers.

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In context of the poem, it is most definitely offensive.
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However, it is offensive for the reasons that I pointed out above.  The
word in and of itself is not offensive.
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Words have very specific meanings, Will.
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You need to learn how to use them correctly.
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When you use a word that doesn't quite mean what you think it means, you
end up saying something that isn't true... or that isn't what you'd
intended to express.
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"Hole" is not an example of "foul language."
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Your use of "hole" in the poem is extremely offensive.  But that

doesn't

make it "foul language."
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Foul language is offensive by definition.  However, not everything that
is offensive is considered foul language.
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IOW the words "foul language" and "offensive language"

are not the same

thing.
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If I call you a fat, stupid redneck, I am using language to offend you.
"Fat," "stupid," and "redneck" can all be seen

as offensive words in

this context.
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However, "fat," "stupid," and "redneck" are

not examples of "foul

language."
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Neither is "hole."
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It isn't difficult to learn how to use language correctly.  But you
aren't going to learn it by simply picking it up from experience.  When
you read a word in an article, a book, or a Usenet post, you can figure
out its meaning from its context.  However, this method only provides
you with an approximation of the word's meaning at best.
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The fact that you have learned everything you know about writing from
this method is obvious from your posts.  Apologizing for having used
"foul language" is *close* to being correct.  That is to say, it's

close

enough that others can figure out what you actually mean without much
difficulty.
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And while this sort of thing is acceptable in casual, spoken
conversations, it is not acceptable when writing literary works, or
conversing with other writers online.
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If you want to be a writer, you need to learn how to write.
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If you want people to take you seriously in Usenet and other social
media platforms, you need to learn how to write.
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And the only way that you're going to learn how to write is by enrolling
in a series of online courses.
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Thanks for the advice but I've been writing poetry for over 50 years, so
I
know what I'm doing.

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Obviously not.